|
07-05-2007, 05:54 PM
|
#1
|
newbie
Country: U.K.
Location: Wiltshire
Occupation: CNC machinist, toolmaker
Interests: Fast cars, bike,boats,jetski's,snowboarding and mountainbiking
Boat name: Budweiser
Boat make: Ring21
Engines: Yamaha 225
Cruising area: Swanage, solent, Isle of W
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 5
|
Newbie here and ring21 owner
Hi guys.
This is my first post here and one of many i hope. Just in the process of buying out my two mates in our share of a Ring21 we have owned for nearly two years. Its called Budwiser if anyone has seen it. Has not been used since last summer but been stored inside. It is a red ring21 with a Yamaha225 on it. Dont know much about it as we just used to get in and go.It does needs alot of tlc as it was an x race boat and last raced on lock Loman. Have not seen the boat for ages as its been in storage so i cant remember race number etc but will find out this week. I will post some pics soon, as i was hoping if you guys could tell me more about it.
I might use this year as is or strip it and rebuild it. It has powerlift which is not working very well needs bleeding all the time and i dont know why?? plus it has trim tabs and not sure how they work as there is no hydrolics with them just the tabs, is this right. We belive or shall i say we were told the engine has been tuned but i dont know how true this is all thou its really loud and sounds amazing.
Another thing i need some info on is what prop to run as i have to buy a new one(long story) and need to know where to start as its a mine field to me. I am after mid to top speed???. Also where can i buy thing like hydrolic steering systems trim tab set ups and props etc.
many thanks for reading
look forward to your replies and info hopefully.
cheers steve.
__________________
|
|
|
07-05-2007, 07:00 PM
|
#2
|
Registered User
Country: UK
Location: Weston Super Mare
Occupation: Electrical Engineer
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Weston Super Mare
Posts: 6,351
|
Dont know much about the boat but i'm sure people on here will be able to tell you some history. You can find out the serial no. and year by looking under the deck as there will be a complements slip glassed in.
Need to know gearbox ratio before any advice can be given about props
__________________
|
|
|
07-05-2007, 08:29 PM
|
#3
|
Le Cat
Country: France
Location: Paris
Occupation: Computer Sales
Boat name: Le Cat
Boat make: Argo Cat 18
Engines: Mercury 2.4EFI
Cruising area: Paris
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Paris
Posts: 753
|
Steve, welcome aboard. Despite you having a Ring & not a Phantom, a few pics of your boat would be nice.
For the prop help include rpm's & speed along with info on present prop.
Cheers Phil
|
|
|
07-05-2007, 09:33 PM
|
#4
|
Senior Member
Country: England
Location: Watford
Occupation: Private Hire Company
Interests: Boats Cars women and wine
Boat name: The Bandit & The Bandit1
Boat make: Revenger San Marino & Hunton Rib
Engines: For sale Twin 225 Opti's
Cruising area: The Solent
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Watford
Posts: 298
|
The prop thing isn't a long story. The tide went out and you let a mate drive the boat. Its happened to us all..
|
|
|
10-05-2007, 12:24 AM
|
#5
|
Registered User
Boat make: Phantom 23
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 1,693
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by steve21ring
I might use this year as is or strip it and rebuild it. It has powerlift which is not working very well needs bleeding all the time and i dont know why?? plus it has trim tabs and not sure how they work as there is no hydrolics with them just the tabs, is this right. We belive or shall i say we were told the engine has been tuned but i dont know how true this is all thou its really loud and sounds amazing.
Another thing i need some info on is what prop to run as i have to buy a new one(long story) and need to know where to start as its a mine field to me. I am after mid to top speed???. Also where can i buy thing like hydrolic steering systems trim tab set ups and props etc.
many thanks for reading
look forward to your replies and info hopefully.
cheers steve.
|
your lifter prob needs bleeding all the time because the seals on the ram are shot so it leaks.
can you post a pic of your trim tabs?
they may be the lenco type which are electric actuators so no hydraulics there.
as Burty said, before you can decide on the correct prop for your setup you will need to know your gear ratio and max rpm of the engine.
If your going for max speed you should go for a small hub/or over hub exhaust this enables the engine to let the prop slip and spin up when getting up on plain, this means you can also have a bigger pitch prop.
if you post some more info on the engine then someone may be able to help identify it and give some more information.
|
|
|
11-05-2007, 07:34 AM
|
#6
|
Registered User
Country: England
Location: Kent
Occupation: Planning Manager
Interests: My Dodge Ram 1500 4x4
Boat name: Retired
Boat make: Retired
Engines: Retired
Cruising area: London
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Kent
Posts: 395
|
I do remember a Red Ring 21 that done ski racing and i am sure it had a Yam on it, Vic Murray used to drive it for Glen Tompkins, some1 correct me if i am wrong about the engine!!!
|
|
|
11-05-2007, 10:03 AM
|
#7
|
Ringle@der
Country: England
Location: Uckfield, East Sussex.
Interests: Water Ski Racing.
Boat name: Both called ‘Irresistible’.
Boat make: Bernico F1 Twin, Monterey 265SC.
Engines: 2 x Mercury 300XS's, Yanmar 315.
Cruising area: South and east coasts. Eastbourne Marina.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Uckfield, East Sussex.
Posts: 758
|
No Daz your right about the Yam but the red Ring Vic Murray drove was definitely a 20. I still remember the day he took me for a ride in it, I was scared sh**less. I don't think he will mind if I say he never really managed to come to terms with driving a Ring, after that he went back to Phantoms.
|
|
|
11-05-2007, 03:20 PM
|
#8
|
Registered User
Country: UK
Location: London
Occupation: Electrical Engineer
Interests: Retired Ski Racer, Ski Racing Photography, Steam Railway Fireman
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: London
Posts: 220
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by gar163y
Vic Murray took me for a ride & I was scared sh**less.
|
|
|
|
13-05-2007, 10:18 AM
|
#9
|
Registered User
Country: England
Location: Kent
Occupation: Planning Manager
Interests: My Dodge Ram 1500 4x4
Boat name: Retired
Boat make: Retired
Engines: Retired
Cruising area: London
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Kent
Posts: 395
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by gar163y
No Daz your right about the Yam but the red Ring Vic Murray drove was definitely a 20. I still remember the day he took me for a ride in it, I was scared sh**less. I don't think he will mind if I say he never really managed to come to terms with driving a Ring, after that he went back to Phantoms.
|
Gary, Vic took my dad out in that Ring, he said to my dad that it was all over the place, Dad drove it and it was fine!!!
|
|
|
13-05-2007, 10:27 AM
|
#10
|
Ringle@der
Country: England
Location: Uckfield, East Sussex.
Interests: Water Ski Racing.
Boat name: Both called ‘Irresistible’.
Boat make: Bernico F1 Twin, Monterey 265SC.
Engines: 2 x Mercury 300XS's, Yanmar 315.
Cruising area: South and east coasts. Eastbourne Marina.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Uckfield, East Sussex.
Posts: 758
|
Yeah, I drove it as well. That doesn't stop me waking up in a cold sweat when I remember the short bit of ski line tied to the high observer seat mount which was the only thing supposed to keep me in the boat! Vic had no confidence in the boat and that's how he drove it.
|
|
|
13-05-2007, 10:51 PM
|
#11
|
newbie
Country: U.K.
Location: Wiltshire
Occupation: CNC machinist, toolmaker
Interests: Fast cars, bike,boats,jetski's,snowboarding and mountainbiking
Boat name: Budweiser
Boat make: Ring21
Engines: Yamaha 225
Cruising area: Swanage, solent, Isle of W
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Wiltshire
Posts: 5
|
hi guys
Hi guys
thanks for the replys. Still have not had time to get down the yard and get some photos, but i promise i will do it as soon as because i need to get it out the workshop and give a good clean and check over and get spec of motor etc.
Funny everyone seems to say ring's are not as good to drive as Phantoms. Everytime we go out in this boat it scares the pants of us. it seems like you have to have loads of bottle to go flat out, it seems very unpredictable. The last owner who we knew did a complete 180 deg turn going very fast which put im to a complete stop. he never went that fast again and never trusted it again. Seen vids of phantoms and they seem loads more stable at speed.
Not sure how fast this boat is but my GP1300R yam jet ski has been GPS confirmed at 67 in standard trim and the ring just flys by like i am stood stil.
Roll on the summer
Cheers chaps
|
|
|
14-05-2007, 08:31 AM
|
#12
|
Registered User
Country: UK
Location: Coventry (but from Lee on Solent)
Occupation: Sales Director
Interests: My Boat of course
Boat make: Extreme 21
Engines: Merc V8
Cruising area: Solent
Join Date: Jul 2005
Location: Coventry (but from Lee on Solent)
Posts: 587
|
Hi Steve
Thats not really the case mate. Im on my second ring now and can honestly say that how they run and how stable they feel is all down to set up.
I was running my 21 with 250 xl coscast merc and it was not well setup! In fact at higher speeds it was dam scary. Chine walked and just felt like it was always on the edge. Changed engine to an XR2 and it now runs like a peach. Very stable and handles v well at high speeds!
Same can be said for phantoms too. If their set up badly they will handle very badly.
Just my opinion though mate but would hope that the other guys would agree
Best of luck with her and would love to see some pics
Cheers
Al
__________________
The Docta
|
|
|
20-05-2007, 07:15 PM
|
#13
|
Registered User
Country: England
Location: Crayford, Kent.
Occupation: Electrical gezza!
Interests: Petrolhead
Boat name: Wayne Kerr
Boat make: Phantom xl
Engines: Mercury 2.5, 200(ish)
Cruising area: Essex, Hampshire, Mediterranean
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Crayford, Kent.
Posts: 1,199
|
Doc, gotta agree there mate, set-up is fundamental.
Speaking as a Phantom owner ,,,,, I was well amazed how well my mates Ring 18 cornered!
|
|
|
20-05-2007, 07:37 PM
|
#14
|
numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
Posts: 15,959
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne Kerr
Speaking as a Phantom owner ,,,,, I was well amazed how well my mates Ring 18 cornered!
|
You're banned!
__________________
.
"I Agree with everything you say really!" - John Cooke to Jon Fuller - 26-01-2013
|
|
|
20-05-2007, 07:46 PM
|
#15
|
Registered User
Country: England
Location: Crayford, Kent.
Occupation: Electrical gezza!
Interests: Petrolhead
Boat name: Wayne Kerr
Boat make: Phantom xl
Engines: Mercury 2.5, 200(ish)
Cruising area: Essex, Hampshire, Mediterranean
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Crayford, Kent.
Posts: 1,199
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
You're banned!
|
Thanks mate, I see you made me loggin again! Must have broken a Phantom rule somewhere.
|
|
|
20-05-2007, 07:59 PM
|
#16
|
numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
Posts: 15,959
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Wayne Kerr
Thanks mate, I see you made me loggin again! Must have broken a Phantom rule somewhere.
|
Nowt to do with me mate, you must have cleared your cookies, or logged out inadvertantly at some point.
__________________
.
"I Agree with everything you say really!" - John Cooke to Jon Fuller - 26-01-2013
|
|
|
20-05-2007, 08:08 PM
|
#17
|
Registered User
Country: England
Location: Crayford, Kent.
Occupation: Electrical gezza!
Interests: Petrolhead
Boat name: Wayne Kerr
Boat make: Phantom xl
Engines: Mercury 2.5, 200(ish)
Cruising area: Essex, Hampshire, Mediterranean
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Crayford, Kent.
Posts: 1,199
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
Nowt to do with me mate, you must have cleared your cookies, or logged out inadvertantly at some point.
|
Blimey Jon, just had to loggin again!
"Cookies" ???? Don't do rubber ! Must be a Ring thing?
|
|
|
21-05-2007, 06:18 PM
|
#18
|
Registered User
Country: UK
Location: London
Occupation: Electrical Engineer
Interests: Retired Ski Racer, Ski Racing Photography, Steam Railway Fireman
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: London
Posts: 220
|
Quote:
Originally Posted by dazza
I do remember a Red Ring
|
Dodgy ruby again mate?
__________________
|
|
|
|
Posting Rules
|
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts
HTML code is Off
|
|
|
|
» Recent Threads |
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
|