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Old 13-07-2006, 02:21 PM   #61
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What does make a nonsense of the struture is I can buy a boat & turn up.
Yet there is a structure in place for training & testing for powerboats Level 1,2 ICC ect ect. But no requirement for anybody to hold those for racing ????
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well there is for one class!!

I think the other point about RYA ism is only one element that controls offshore. All events now have to be notified to the relevant MCA office for aproval/review and they start way above RYA in the pecking order and also have a direct link to the MAIB through DTI.

Before anyone says it's the fault of KClass we are partially in this situation of offficialdom just think of the incidents over many years that MAIB could/should have been involved in which could well have stopped the whole sport in it's tracks?

We are in the same situation with the event licences too and have one team who want to compete in their 3rd local event which has international status but can't without a full licence....
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Old 13-07-2006, 02:22 PM   #62
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Did a poll thread on this topic, ORC members may wish to review.

Power to the people up the revloution !!!!!!
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Old 13-07-2006, 02:27 PM   #63
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well there is for one class!!

Exactly QED

With ref to accidents it very easy to target powerboats as it is just that due to it's profile, how many non reported incidents happen yachting, fishing ect just turn up over the following two days at out patients or A & E.
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Old 13-07-2006, 02:42 PM   #64
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Exactly QED

With ref to accidents it very easy to target powerboats as it is just that due to it's profile, how many non reported incidents happen yachting, fishing ect just turn up over the following two days at out patients or A & E.
very true, too many.
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Old 13-07-2006, 06:32 PM   #65
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,however i couldnt afford the time or money to go on a course if i had to,
If you couldn't afford to give up a day of your time to do a boat handling course, how do you manage to find the time to go racing?

And as for the costs, a days tuition is a lot cheaper than a days racing!
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Old 13-07-2006, 10:21 PM   #66
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Anyway, to get this one back to the key point - making sure Gav can get a pot from the RMYC without having to spank another large pile of cash to get a license.

a nice shiney pot would be great........but.........not the issue entirely here! I want to race more than twice this year in different sea states before i commit myself to a national license and maybe competing in the nationals next year with our new boat.
I have already emailed the relevant people expressing my thoughts as to where i think things should be or could be changed(as you know Matt!! ) and hope others will have followed suit! otherwise i might just be pissing into the wind!!

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If you couldn't afford to give up a day of your time to do a boat handling course, how do you manage to find the time to go racing?

And as for the costs, a days tuition is a lot cheaper than a days racing!
I would rather spend my time and money on a days racing!
But just so i can learn to drive the boats,this year I'm doing OCR safety cover in my own Rhib.Courses don't always improve peoples attitude towards racing,some of them are just maniacs anyway
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Old 14-07-2006, 09:22 AM   #68
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Courses don't always improve peoples attitude towards racing,some of them are just maniacs anyway
I don't think the idea of a training course is to make all the drivers slow & sensible.

It's to increase their awareness of their environment, give em a better idea what to do in the event of an accident, mebbe improve their close quarters manouvering skills (a particularly good point), understand some of the rules of the road (which would be very helpfull, as there can't be many more annoying things for organisers, than a jerk upsetting local authorities, and risking future events being refused!

And many other points that many 'maniacs' and average boaters alike may not already be aware of.


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Old 14-07-2006, 09:35 AM   #69
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Sorry Jon I wasn't suggesting everyone was a maniac,yes we have all had the jerk who upsets the authorities,we have one of our very own resident in Teignmouth,who should know the rules but decided to join in our race last season in the wrong direction.I attended the RYA safety seminar last year and have got a powerboat level 2 certificate,but i still don't drive the race boats because i don't feel confident enough to do so.I was only commenting on the fact that courses don't change the way people look at things and some of the very best drivers that have competed in OCR have never done any courses whereas a new racer who came up through the ranks,had training etc,and had no respect for any of the fellow racers out on the water. If any of you wish to e-mail me with your comments about the 2 event licence limit so i can take them to the next CCM meeting on the 25th July then please do so,i want to encourage people to come and play,not put people off. sec@ocrda.org
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Old 14-07-2006, 04:01 PM   #70
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We had to do our ICCs to do P1 and that didn't make us go any slower

I'm sure this is all about insurance. If you saw what we had to pay to insure our boat (when not racing) to cover us for hospitality, you'd probably understand (even if you don't like) where the RYA is coming from... ours had lots of zeros on the end

If you get your feedback through the clubs to the RYA I'm sure they'll find a better solution. They want you out there as much as you want to be.
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Old 14-07-2006, 06:49 PM   #71
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If you get your feedback through the clubs to the RYA I'm sure they'll find a better solution. They want you out there as much as you want to be.

i'm sure they will, or there will be less boats out this year than there could be!
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It's not only the RMYC series that will suffer unless we do something a bit sharpish, but the Littlehampton event at the end of the month and obviously, the "Round the Island " race which I believe is on the Saturday of the Cowes event.
As far as training is concerned I can think of one or two fairly experienced racers who would benefit from some lessons within a marina !

No names no pack drill............

Gav and John Guille, your letters were read out last night and will form part of a proposal to the ORC on Tuesday. Good effort.

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Gav and John Guille, your letters were read out last night and will form part of a proposal to the ORC on Tuesday. Good effort.

fingers crossed it'll do some good!

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and I could well see a race license require PB something as a precursor.
And not just a race licence. If the UK comes into line with other EU countries, you'll need an ICC (free with a level two ticket if you're an RYA member) to operate a powerboat.



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And many other points that many 'maniacs' and average boaters alike may not already be aware of.
Good point. The RYA level two course will give you a basic idea of seamanship rather than teach you how to drive a race boat.

If you're an experienced boater, you can do a one day assesment rather than the full two day course but it is an assesment, not a training session. You have to prove that you've got the knowledge/skills which include a practical demo of boat handling skills and an exam covering IRPCS, buoyage, basic nav/chartwork, tides, and general seamanship etc.
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Dave, what's the score with the old 'Overseas Helmsmans Certificate', are they exchangable with an ICC, or do I need to do it again?

Reckon it'd be better to get all that bollix out the way long before it becomes regulated!

If I need to do it again, can I do it with you (oooh eeer)
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Old 15-07-2006, 03:21 PM   #76
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Bloody Hell! You're older than I thought. HOC was the forerunner to the modern ICC (changed in 1999 )but I think you could get one in those days with a resume of boating experience rather than by exam.

It may well be transferable to an updated ICC but you'd need to check with the RYA certification dept about that. The telephone numbers on their website.

You can certainly do your update with me and that applies to anyone else that requires a ticket.

Good discounts available for Boatmadders/Racers.
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as always we try to get people qualified in the dark art of boat handling, and will arrange special courses for racers / boatmadders for level 2 / icc. the vhf course was run for you in jan which proved (fairly ) popular and raised money from your kind donations for macmillan nurses so i will be happy to arrange anything you want to do, vvv cheap for my fellow boating buddies only downside for some is it will have to be done in ribs (sorry)
and we all know who those people are who can't park a race boat (usually breakdown just outside harbour after race..... we know who you are.....)
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and we all know who those people are who can't park a race boat (usually breakdown just outside harbour after race..... we know who you are.....)
Feck orf. I break down to save fuel weight!

Actually I only got my proper VHF licence this year, and was relying on a 15 year old short range licence. I dont have an ICC - so I suppose getting one would be a good idea...
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Feck orf. I break down to save fuel weight!

i never mentioned you by name..... but now you come to mention it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Who is the *only* boat to be towed in 4 times after winning the race this season?

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