3B Revival 2011

[OCRDA]

Originally Posted by Renegade

The 115ho and 130 are the same engine, the standard should be different, Is this new class going to be hp capped? Or are you going down the 200xs road? Good luck with it.

No HP capping !! Simply 1,2 & 3 ltr classes with upto 2 ltr on a short course & 3ltr on a longer course around the outside.(like we do with C3).
Racing and forced induction engines will go into next class !! and possibly inboards as well !!

Early days yet but it seems that Ireland have adopted this and we think it might work. Keep it simple !!

Bob

[Adam]

Please try to keep / make this a positive thread - yes there are issues to address - but this is a great opportunity to improve racing and the class.

Thanks

[OCRDA]

Carbs are history.[/QUOTE] Cheap & Reliable !!

[JBP]

Originally Posted by Renegade

Another nail in the powerboat racing coffin !!

It's that outlook that is going to kill racing. This is the way engines are going and the sooner you realise it the better. Carbs are history.[/QUOTE]

We're even looking at the 25hp ETECs for the S series we run as the Mercs are getting harder and harder to keep going. And to answer your question about 'other hulls' Paul if it meets series/class rules and gets 'club' approval then yes it would be added to the approved list

I think what Adam is doing is great with the 3b and do hope the interest already shown moves onto the water and the series regains its former state.

[jonp]

Originally Posted by CudmoreRacing

There is one person building a Beecraft 19 for 3B in norway, and he will be running a 115 EPA, And the rumours are that the Luukila Brothers that build Twister catamarans have built a twister catamaran to suit the 115 EPA engines..... Someone has to be the first, and when a certain percentage in 3B is running EPA engines in the championships, the 2-strokes will be history.

What does 2-stroke have to do with it?

Merc Optimax 115 ProXS is 2-stroke and the same with the Evinrude HO. And how these engines could kill racing is above me. I personally think this is the right way to go. EPA 2-stroke engines are great engines that, with some technical support from the manufacturers, could easily be policed.

But on the other hand I think you need to race "old 3B" and "new 3B" simoultaniously for a few years.

[Foolish]

Originally Posted by jonp

But on the other hand I think you need to race "old 3B" and "new 3B" simoultaniously for a few years.

especially as there are now potentially 6 3B ( 1.3L ) that will race next year ( seven if i can find a second boat )

[S2art]

I have to agree with jonp. As i believe the yam 90 only has next year anyway before it can't be raced, internationly anyway. What's needed is a set of rules that allow both epa and non epa boats to race together on a level playing field. I'm sure the clubs could get together and make this possible.
I really enjoyed the 3b / ocr race at harwich and hope this class of racing can push the sport forward. Fingers crossed

[jonp]

A quick translation of the Swedish V115 technical rules:

§ 1 a) Hull and deck Hull must be monohull UIM under § 502.03.
Step Bottom is not allowed, only cross-step "aeration step" with a maximum width of 80 cm are allowed.
A cube with dimensions of length 2.35m width 1.20m height 0.46m shall be fully accommodated within the hull and deck volume. For RIB boats included rib-collar in the tire volume. Freeboard must be at least 25 cm high at some point.

b) Cockpit
The cockpit must satisfy the UIM § 508.60, 703.9 and national allowance, this means that:
a) an enhanced water deflector with min angle 45 °, min width / 30cm person min height should be 5 cm above the deck in front of each crew member.
b) Each crew member must have a seat with the minimum dimensions: length 76 cm, width 53 cm.
c) The cockpit must be at least 38 cm deep.
d) There must be safeguards to prevent the crew can go in under the deck.
e) The RIB / Steering console boats does not require water deflector. 508.60.

c) Length Width and Weight
The boat's length is measured from bow to stern end of the LOA (LOA according to Lloyd).
Wing Boats are not allowed.
The boat's maximum width must not exceed the maximum width of the running surface by more than 40%.
Minimum Weight for complete boat including crew and equipment.
Max Power Min Weight
Min length of
4.80m 5.00m 5.30 m
70hp 90hp 115hp
520kg 580kg 640kg

§ 2 ENGINE
a) approved engines
Engines must be mass-produced STANDARD outboardengines with manufacturer's specified propshaft power of 115 hp max. Engines must be icompletely standard, ie they may not be tuned or "blue-printed". The engine model and the standard specifications shall be evidenced by appropriate document. In case of doubt, contact the class coach.

b) Allowed changes
1) The propeller may be replaced with optional, along with washers and nuts 2) Spark plugs may be replaced with optional
3) Thermostat (s) may be removed / replaced
4) Tiller arm, engine mounts, brackets may be reinforced as precaution
5) All external (not inside the engine block) screws, nuts, etc. may be replaced as a safety measure
6) Steering harness may be fitted, provided that all openings in the modified caps are sealed carefully
7) Fuel Coupling of the cover may be removed / replaced again, openings are sealed carefully
8) It is permissible to disconnect and remove the lubrication system and replace the lubricating oil in the fuel
9) Gear housing shall be The brand originals and have full gear (FNR) is allowed to mount nose cones, modify water intake and upgrade / modify skeg
10) If the engine blows the engine may be rebuilt, the rebuild must not be performance enhancing. Before and after the engine must be inspected by an inspector appointed by the V / W-committee
11) Separate water intake is permitted, however, the engine impeller pump must be used in its original format

c) Engine height
Height of the engine is restricted to the center of the propeller shaft no higher than 25 mm below the bottom. When measuring the propeller shaft should be parallel to the bottom. (If the bottom is not straight, two points, one at the end of the running surface and one 600 mm forward on the running surface, are used as reference.) The engine must not be able to adjust in height during the race. Electrohydraulic and manual hoists shall be locked with bolts so that they can not adjust.

[CudmoreRacing]

hat out of the box.. ... sorry, when i said 2 stroke... i meantfinger at the yamaha/tohatsu 2stroke that are run today....that they would be phased out after a couple of years...... ( i love the yamaha 90 2 stroke.
let the change happen over time, not over night...

3B is a class that has a future with the new engines, mono and multi hull together :-)
If anyone in the UK needs help getting a 3B boat, I will gladly assist!

[stumpy]

Raced 3B last year......

Run the Evinrude 115HO........

Had problems.........

Won a championship..........

Enjoyed every minute.............

Accepted as a legal engine by RYA and UIM.........

Raced in Arendel in Norway in European's..........

What's the problem.........

Nuff said......

[neal_skyline]

Originally Posted by stumpy

Raced 3B last year......

Run the Evinrude 115HO........

Had problems.........

Won a championship..........

Enjoyed every minute.............

Accepted as a legal engine by RYA and UIM.........

Raced in Arendel in Norway in European's..........

What's the problem.........

Nuff said......

bet u did win if every 1 was running 90hp and u a 115ho

[stumpy]

Well Done.......

Your Mathematics are good....

Try running an Engine that kicks in too Guardian mode 7 times a lap, then compare.

The engine is legal, and we gave it a go.....

Everyone else has the opportunity to try it.

Getting bored of the same old story.

I've paid my money, and have been out there racing in 3B.... Where are the rest of you?

I will continue to race that engine, and will not be put off by any of you that insist that I have an unfair advantage.....

Even when being accused of destroying a class that I love and strongly believe in....

As an old dog once told me. That boat was always quicker with a 90 Tohatsu...

Grow up and put your money where your mouth is.

[Ciao]

Would love to see 3B back in strength next year!

There is nothing better than running 82 mph with a Yam 90!

[Pennpromo]

I have always been a very strong advocate of 3B. It has so many advantages:
1). Affordable
2). Easily managed boat size: towing, storage etc
3). FAst enough to be exciting
4). Slow eough that you shouldn't hurt yourself too much
5). Good starter class

The secret of course is to have even competition, it doesn't matter how fast you are racing as long as everyone is evenly matched. I think you have to allow a combination of clean and dirty engine sot allow those with smaller budgets or older kit to have a chance, certainly at National level.
You could look at a weight imposition according to results: You win, you carry 5KG of extra weight- 10KG, who knows ?
The idea of weighing crew as well is terrific as it evens out the older lardy guys against the younger racing snakes !
I might just have the second Shakespaere 1.3L cat sat in my garden !
Really think I am too old.
Lets really get it going again and have some fun close racing.

[Jon Fuller]

You're ALL MARF!

We've heard it all before from you.

You're too old, let it go, it's over.

[Renegade]

Originally Posted by Pennpromo

I have always been a very strong advocate of 3B. It has so many advantages:
1). Affordable
2). Easily managed boat size: towing, storage etc
3). FAst enough to be exciting
4). Slow eough that you shouldn't hurt yourself too much
5). Good starter class

The secret of course is to have even competition, it doesn't matter how fast you are racing as long as everyone is evenly matched. I think you have to allow a combination of clean and dirty engine sot allow those with smaller budgets or older kit to have a chance, certainly at National level.
You could look at a weight imposition according to results: You win, you carry 5KG of extra weight- 10KG, who knows ?
The idea of weighing crew as well is terrific as it evens out the older lardy guys against the younger racing snakes !
I might just have the second Shakespaere 1.3L cat sat in my garden !
Really think I am too old.
Lets really get it going again and have some fun close racing.

No way should crews be weighed, why should someone be penalised for looking after themselves and training and someone who can't leave the cake alone get sympathy. And before anyone parps up it's been proven most over weight people don't have over active glands, only an over active knife and fork.

[jonp]

Originally Posted by Renegade

No way should crews be weighed, why should someone be penalised for looking after themselves and training and someone who can't leave the cake alone get sympathy. And before anyone parps up it's been proven most over weight people don't have over active glands, only an over active knife and fork.

I agree with you even though I'm over active with the knife and fork hahahahahaha. The reason that the V115 (aswell as V150, V300, W150) have these rules is to even out a bit. I may have forgot to mention but these classes were originally put together as recruitment classes. But do not forget that a lighter crew gets advantages since they'll have a greater possibility to balance the weight of the boat. In classes with international competition I believe in the regular weight rules with minimum weight without crew.

By telling you about how we've done in Sweden I only want to show that the sport could be rescued. Last years first national championship race i Simnäs had about 30 teams on the starting line. this year the same race had over 60. The next Swedish race on september 4th had said in the invitation that the could nott accept more than 60 teams but since interest have been sp great they have now decided to split into two races the same day. First race with smaller classes and second race with bigger classes. I think about 65 teams have accepted the invitation and more are coming.

British offshore racing could have a bright future. It only requires that a couple of enthusiasts put their heart into it! So come on now guys!!!

[Foolish]

Originally Posted by jonp

In classes with international competition I believe in the regular weight rules with minimum weight without crew.

Originally Posted by jonp

But do not forget that a lighter crew gets advantages since they'll have a greater possibility to balance the weight of the boat

that means we have to carry an additional 70kgs of lead ...

Originally Posted by jonp

British offshore racing could have a bright future. It only requires that a couple of enthusiasts put their heart into it! So come on now guys!!!

well i think we (B92) have certainly done that !

[Renegade]

On a lighter more positive note, this thread shows that there is a solution to problems and that the future could be bright. Someone is not going to like some decisions but that unfortunately can not get in the way of progress. But the powers that be need to work with the people on the start line. Good luck guys. Sincerly. Paul

[Foolish]

Originally Posted by Adam

Personally I would like to see the class running the new 115hp engines and also keep the 90hp engines going too..

If all goes to plan and there is both 3B and 3B-EPA i fully intend to run 1 boat in each, i appreciate that long term we will have to all go down the EPA route but for now feel it is equally important to keep the affordable 90's running ideally against other 90's although things may have been different last year if we had been blessed with some rougher water