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Old 07-03-2007, 01:55 PM   #1
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Basic Race At Burryport

Hi All

The Hotboats Racing Association are staging Rounds 1 and 2 of the Hotboats National Championship in Burryport Wales on 12th-13th May

We will also be holding a basic race on both days, this basic race will be for 3 different classes up to 100 HP Up to 200 Hp And unlimited. The winner in each class over the weekend will recieve their entry fee back as prize money.

If you require an entry form or any information please pm us with your contact details
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Old 07-03-2007, 03:24 PM   #2
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2 questions Gary. How much is the entry and where the fu>> is Burryport?
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Hi CB1

Burryport is south Wales end of M4 turn left entry fee £275 for two days racing if you win you get it back if you need to no more just ask. this race is open to all.
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Hi CB1

Burryport is south Wales end of M4 turn left entry fee £275 for two days racing if you win you get it back if you need to no more just ask. this race is open to all.
is that £275.00 english sterling pounds for a basic entry up to 100hp???
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The entry fee is £275 for all basic boats for this you get to race two times 1 race on saturday 1 race on sunday. with a good race social saturday night.
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The entry fee is £275 for all basic boats for this you get to race two times 1 race on saturday 1 race on sunday. with a good race social saturday night.

Kinnel!! are ya chucking the hotel and "all you can eat and drink in with that"?

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speed cost money how fast do you want to go ???

this is racing and it cost a lot to put on a race.

but you can all ways sit at the bar and and talk a lot

there is a lot of that on here.
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speed cost money how fast do you want to go ???

this is racing and it cost a lot to but on a race.

but you can all ways sit at the bar and and talk a lot

ther is a lot of that on here.
Your probably right! like i've never supported basic racing!!

Just an observation thats all, £275 for 2 basic races......... compared to £160 we paid at LA last year?? Doesnt exactly entice new racers.

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Kin ell thats more than a national weekend. You not made the 20 boats then Gary.
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If your running less than 200hp come and race f200 at national venues will cost you less.
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wales?mmmmmmmm
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And IMHO better venues.
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If your running less than 200hp come and race f200 at national venues will cost you less.
ah but your forgetting these imortal words ........

"speed cost money how fast do you want to go ???"

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A lot faster than he did at the Monkey!!!!!!!!! And it cost me less pro rata.
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A lot faster than he did at the Monkey!!!!!!!!! And it cost me less pro rata.
surely not slower than us last year??!
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No way m8 you were smoking compared!!!!!!
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Ok Guys

Thats fine insult me as much as you like it means you are leaving everyone else alone. However the fact remains that every Offshore Powerboat Club in the UK is finding that to put on an event costs more and more money each season and the sad fact is that unless you are lucky enough to have an endless bank account or a dam good backer you loose more than you gain.

I note that Dave from ORDA gave an apprx figure of £6000 per event he is not far out and the costs will keep rising. Like a few people i have tried to support Powerboat Racing in the UK and lets be honest here it needs all the support it can get.

If 20 boats pay a £250.00 entry fee that still leaves you £1000 short to run an event where is this money coming from!!! The money tree in the bottom of the garden no from hard work and trying your upmost to get people to give you services for next to nothing. If it is a national or a basic the same things still have to be in place and the same costs apply to ensure safe racing for you guys.

Maybe you have a solution if you do then dont keep it to yourself let every club/Association have the benifit of it or better still get out there and secure it for your club, oh and while your at it magic up the publicity and TV coverage that we all need to get the sport of Powerboat Racing up the top where it belongs.

There are very few people who are prepared to really put their head on the chopping block for this sport, and the Ones that are need your support not the negitive comments that seem to be part of the sport at present. Without people like your race organisers who spend hours upon hours and Pounds and Pounds of their own money you have no racing plain and simple. It is their dedication and continual hard work against all the odds that mean you can go out and race.

If you can't say anything nice then maybe you shouldn't say anything at all, because the few people that do what they do need the support. We are not against each other here we need to all work together otherwise the sport will die and that would really be a shame because there are some great crews out there who do all they can to support the sport unfortunatly you can please some people some of the time but you cant please all the people all of the time. So comment as much as you like about this post because the facts remain the facts and nobody can dress them up because figures don't lie £10.50 in £9.50 out sucess. £10.00 in and £11.00 out disaster and thats a fact.

While your all thinking about this and working out ways to say that this post in not right sit down and work out everything you need to hold an event! Tell you what i will help you along and give you some ideas and approx figures!!!

Race Officials OOD, Safety Officer, Race Secretary, Timekeepers, Scrutineers, all these people need accomadation, milage and if they wanted to they could charge £30.00 per day but they don't. So lets assume that these people need to travel 150 miles to a race and 150 miles back each official could claim £54.00 petrol at 18p per mile. Lets also assume that we put them in BnB AT £25.00 PER NIGHT so thats £ 50.00 per official per weekend work that out Guys.

Along with that you have Safety Crews, Divers, Paramedics, Marshalls all of those people need milage,accomadation and onwater fuel allowance work that One out but you could be talking many Hundred Pounds. Paramedics usually charge a fee and rightly so they have the experience that can keep you alive.

Craining now that can work out very expensive and most of you have had to pay craining at some time, but for an event you need the crane for 2 days plus the banksman it isnt rocket science it costs money.

We will now chuck into the pot Insurance for the event for an offshore event for 2 days that can be £1500.00, Trophies well they are not cheap if you want good Ones and lets be honest if you gain a placing you deserve good tropies,event radio licence paid to Offcom for every event,printing, postage milage to set up events, pit fencing, 24hr security,PA systems,commontater,at times hire of room for breifings, race control etc.

Oh and ambulances a blue light can cost you £500.00 per day and that can rise and fall depending on where you are. The things listed are just the main things and lots more hidden extras that just don't always occur to you at the time but again they all add up. The fact is guys it costs and you have to ask the question if you went to work and were told that you would earn £250.00 but the job cost you £300.00 would you do it i dont think so you would only take a loss for so long before you said no thank you. Take all of this into account and all of the work involved and ask yourself a question would you do this!!!! and if you did wouldn't you get fed up with people taking pot shots at you all the time the answer must be yes.

So give us a break guys all of the race organisers from every club work their socks off unpaid under valued and insulted most of the time, and spend hours worring about how to make things happen. If you don't support them then the sport that we all care about with a passion will die, i hope this gives you a small insight into what goes on behind the scenes and trust me £250.00 entry fee or even £500.00 entry fee is cheap if this was a business you wouldnt even go near these kind of outgoings for the return you are never likely to get. So before any more insults and comments are thrown about just take a little time to think about it.

The answer is guys this is 2007 and things cost a lot more money than they did, most clubs have not put up entry fees for ages and most clubs are paying the price for the love of the sport. In the real world you can not carry on doing that, it is a road to disaster that most clubs are a fag paper away from. So get real you can listen to what i have said or you can dismiss it but chucking the negitive comments about really do not help the people who are really doing their upmost to bring you good events.

I am sure that most of you will be a tade unhappy about what has been said in this posting but facts is facts like it or lump it. I wish we could all go racing on 10 bob and a pickled egg but we can't
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Well, that was all very interesting and informative, but you still haven't told us how many entries you have/haven't got.
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Old 08-03-2007, 08:34 AM   #19
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Can you not get sponsership for the event? Maybe some money from the local council as its a tourist attraction. Find people in the local area who don't need paid accomadation, milage etc. to be the safety crews and marshalls. Do you really need a crane? Asuming you have a slipway get a couple of old tractors or Landrovers or something!!!
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Thats fine insult me as much as you like it means you are leaving everyone else alone.
To be fair Garry I didn't actually see any insults - bitching about the prices ............. but no insults!

The way I see it anything new is going to be compared with what's already there, and Hotboats is more expensive, I think people want to know what they are getting that's better for more money. I believe there is prize money for Hotboats, is there any for the Basics as well?
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