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Old 29-09-2006, 10:07 AM   #21
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I think in many ways the sport is a catch 22 sport. People who are truly interested are the ones who are out there in their own boats watching. To get people interested is a great idea, but to a certain degree I think that a lot of people have such an interest ´built-in´, or no interest. e.g. any petrol head who likes the sound and sight of fast boats or cars is always going to be interested. To get new supporters is the difficult part. I can honestly say that if I hadn´t grown up in Cowes then my interest in the sport would possibly be minimal.

This leads me to believe that the key in to success in the future is to encourage youngsters to get involved at a very early age. And by that I mean getting them out there in boats - most people have no idea how pleasurable it is to be out on the sea in a fast boat because for whatever reason they´ve simply never done it. I loved the sport before I´d even been in a fast boat, but once I had, it confirmed for me what a thrill it was.

The shame of it all is that the Cougar cub was the perfect tool to encourage youngsters into racing. What actually happened with those cubs?? Were they ever raced with youngsters therein?? (I am asking here!!) If such a class could be instigated it would be a huge step in the right direction, and ´Joe Public´would probably find watching the kids (maybe their own) racing small boats possibly more interesting than watching the people racing boats in the big classes.

Would there be a manufacturer out there willing to build such a small racer (again?). Would insurance costs rule out all possibilities anyway?? In these days of litigation most are afraid to fart without asking permission it seems.

Just my tuppence worth!!
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Old 29-09-2006, 11:23 AM   #22
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Having once been involved in racing for a short time and a supporter since. In the early 90's whilst involved in another boating project with a guy who has stuck with the scene for so long and is still at it I had strong ideas on the subject but I wont bore you with them, not sure if they would work in the real world, but if I had the time........
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Old 29-09-2006, 11:48 AM   #23
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This leads me to believe that the key in to success in the future is to encourage youngsters to get involved at a very early age. And by that I mean getting them out there in boats - most people have no idea how pleasurable it is to be out on the sea in a fast boat because for whatever reason they´ve simply never done it. I loved the sport before I´d even been in a fast boat, but once I had, it confirmed for me what a thrill it was.

The shame of it all is that the Cougar cub was the perfect tool to encourage youngsters into racing. What actually happened with those cubs?? Were they ever raced with youngsters therein?? (I am asking here!!) If such a class could be instigated it would be a huge step in the right direction, and ´Joe Public´would probably find watching the kids (maybe their own) racing small boats possibly more interesting than watching the people racing boats in the big classes.

Would there be a manufacturer out there willing to build such a small racer (again?). Would insurance costs rule out all possibilities anyway?? In these days of litigation most are afraid to fart without asking permission it seems.

Just my tuppence worth!!
I got a feeling that's where we've been for the last 4 years with an offshore version but circuit have got their J250s. We raced the kids with Sorcerers as they were found to be more stable than the cubs but have now introduced Fletcher 14' and P16 as the kids seam to get grow!! so we've started something but there is no or little sponsorship/funds about to move it forward in a significant way. You have to rely on the parent//guardian income which proves to be a restrictive factor.....

Our first year we had 30 driver/navigators we're down to approx 15 but with additional classes we end up with 3-4 in each race now, only just enough for a national chamionship. Our insurance is the same as all other offshore events on the points system from the RYA.

Permissions are normally ok and are done annually, not normally restrictive.

enough for now but if there's any one interested in helping the sport at this level, it does not need to be financial, then please PM me.
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Old 29-09-2006, 12:30 PM   #24
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Though a cub was fun it was to easy to overcook & turn it over
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Old 29-09-2006, 12:35 PM   #25
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yeah, but you are talking about a cub with 15 stone in it, up real high!

probably different with a kiddywink in it.
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. Our insurance is the same as all other offshore events on the points system from the RYA.

Insurance costs are always blamed for the high charges for entering a race, just how much does it cost for cover?
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Old 29-09-2006, 12:45 PM   #27
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yeah, but you are talking about a cub with 15 stone in it, up real high!

probably different with a kiddywink in it.
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Old 29-09-2006, 01:22 PM   #28
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Insurance costs are always blamed for the high charges for entering a race, just how much does it cost for cover?
this year £170 ish per weekend including the training days so 10 training & 8 events = £3k+ for one class.....


If you have 20 entries though it's not evan a tenner a head. where as training we might only have 4 then it's £40+ pp.

that's just one, do you want the rest?
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Old 29-09-2006, 01:25 PM   #29
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yeah, but you are talking about a cub with 15 stone in it, up real high!

probably different with a kiddywink in it.
Ok for the circuit scene I'm sure, 2 kids in an offshore was not so good, we did some trials along side the sorcerer which did prove a lot better.
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this year £170 ish per weekend including the training days so 10 training & 8 events = £3k+ for one class.....


When you say for one class, do you mean K Class, or is it £170 per individual class.....£510 per weekend?????

How about insurance for say 3C ?
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When you say for one class, do you mean K Class, or is it £170 per individual class.....£510 per weekend?????

How about insurance for say 3C ?
Approx. £176 I think, for all 3 classes but with about 9-12 entries you can see thats about £15 each extra to the other costs on the event.

Safety boats
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I'm sure there are more.

Typical entry fees £100 per team/class using your own boat per weekend.

That's some that we have at present
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yeah, but you are talking about a cub with 15 stone in it,
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Who's TD's fancy piece then??
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Old 30-09-2006, 12:55 PM   #34
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Some positive-ish TV 'air' this morning.

BBC News

"A RIB boat.........to start with at least" then you can move on to the real thing!

Apparently it's a beast.
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Old 30-09-2006, 05:12 PM   #35
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Apparently it's silly dangerous and futile. You should all be ashamed of yourselves!

Looks like that 50mph 75hp RIB featured one of Searay's legendary speedos . . .
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Some positive-ish TV 'air' this morning.

BBC News

"A RIB boat.........to start with at least" then you can move on to the real thing!

Apparently it's a beast.
Well at least our main winter training area is now famous!!!!

We operate out of Rockley too normally 2 weekends a month from November to March.....
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With regard to getting more people interested, how about a Honda Celebrity Challenge?? I recall seeing many years ago a similar thing involving some Drakkar Noir sponsored 3 pointers with numerous celebs racing in Southampton Water I think. Could this kind of thing be re-kindled through the folks at Honda?? OK, OK it may not be quite the success it could be if the only celebs interested were Lily Savage and Jeremy Beadle, but who knows!! Maybe if Sarah Donohue could be involved all sorts may show up..........!
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With reference to Insurance costs,event insurance for OCR cost approx £600 per weekend,on top of that you have your expenses for Officials,safety boats etc.OCR estimate that an event will cost between £1000 and £1200 if everyone claims their expenses.
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OCR estimate that an event will cost between £1000 and £1200 if everyone claims their expenses.
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That wouldn't even cover pussyfoot's bar bill!
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Old 04-10-2006, 06:57 PM   #40
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Just picked up bits of this thread, IMO it seem that most of the youngster that are already invloved in the boating world are in it because possibily mums and dads used to play around with boats or at least that what it was in my case, moving on from that I've always wondered whether when any form of the sport comes to town a possible mail drop to the local schools infants up would help, time and safety (boat and people) allowing you could even take one of the boats to the schools so kids could have a look (under supervision)fingers crossed they would like what they see and go home and pester M&D into taking them to watch...dont shoot me its only an idea.
It was encouraging over the weekend to see all the peopl lined up on the peir only for the weather to spoil it
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