Cowes Results

[2-XS-IF]

And a lovely bottle of Wight Vodka, with the cap.

[2-XS-IF]

Originally Posted by Ciao

FB broke the trophy - About the only thing he broke all week!

We broke this.

[Ciao]

The Harmsworth Trophy – UIM Marathon World Champions
Red FPT – Fabio Buzzi, Emillio Riganti and Simon Powell.
The Beaverbrook Trophy - Cowes Torquay Cowes First Boat
Red FPT – Fabio Buzzi, Emillio Riganti and Simon Powell.
Renato Della Valle Trophy - First Driver
Red FPT – Emillio Riganti
Cougar Trophy - First Throttle Man
Red FPT – Fabio Buzzi
Mellery-Pratt Challenge Trophy - First Navigator
Red FPT – Simon Powell
Hamed Buhaleeba Trophy - Highest Placed Overseas Competitor
Red FPT - Fabio Buzzi
Royal London Yacht Club Trophy - First Diesel Powered Boat
Red FPT - Fabio Buzzi
Richard Carr Perpetual Challenge Trophy - Driver of the 1st boat to Torquay
Red FPT – Fabio Buzzi
Waynefleet Challenge Trophy - Highest placed British Navigator
Red FPT - Simon Powell
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The Bahamas Trophy - Second Driver
Kera Coll – Mario Invernizzi
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Unohoo Trophy - Third Driver
Fury – Vee Ganjavian and Gareth Williams
Peter Stuyvesant Perpetual Challenge Trophy - First British entered Boat
Fury – Vee Ganjavian and Gareth Williams
The Royal Yacht Squadron Trophy - First Production Boat
Fury – Vee Ganjavian and Gareth Williams
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Motor Boat and Yachting Trophy - Fourth Driver
Cinzano – Markus Hendricks
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Coupe Martini - First outboard powered boat
Carbon Neutral – John Caulcutt, Stephen Hemsley and Jo Donohoo
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Thunderbolt Challenge Trophy - First Historic Boat
Dry Martini – Mike Bontoff, Eric Krume and Lorhring Miller
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Penthouse Trophy - Progress in adversity
GEE 185 –
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Lombard North Central Trophy - Concours d'Elegance
27 Alexandra Marie - Gary Beauvoir and Bob Green
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MEMA Challenge Salver - Oldest Participating competitor
Gee 185 - Keith Dallas
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Ladies Prize - First Lady Driver
Apache - Wenona Dancy
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King George's Fund for Sailors Seahorse Challenge Trophy - Best Presented Entry
Uno Embassy - Rob Gray and race rigged by Mike Bontoft
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The John Mace Perpetual Challenge - Designer Award
Don Shead - Simon Wood Power to collect
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Alex Foster Meridien Trophy - Youngest Participating competitor
TT Graphics - Stuart Dick

[Ciao]

The trouble is with those trophies is that some should be awarded when the stories and photographs come out later - Monday prize giving next year?

[Cookee]

Originally Posted by 2-XS-IF

We broke this.

Wow that's unusual! Did you see what was left of Martin Lai's skegs?

[Cookee]

Another thought - on the basis of a competitor arriving back without a liferaft I could unload all of my safety gear on the pontoon before I set off - couldn't I?

[biffer]

Originally Posted by 2-XS-IF

We broke this.

without any other damage i would say that was probaly a casting defect, i've seen corners come off but never a middle bit

[Goinglean]

Cookee,

Don't leave it on the Pontoon, it may get stolen

At the South Coast Marathon, Mandy will be at the muster area in the Superhawk, we are dumping all of our safety gear on to that.... anybody else wishing to do the same is more than welcome, it will be back at the marina when you return...... should save us at least 90KG & could be worth 1-2 mph for some boats

[Martin The Talker]

Originally Posted by Delta28

It does seem rather strange that it is permissible to continue racing when a vital piece of life-saving equipment has gone overboard (inflating, being reported to the Coastguard and possibly launching an un-necessary full-scale air-sea search, thereby endangering other people's lives..) due to being secured badly... and not having a liferaft if things go-wrong later in the race..

Should the boat have been red-flagged?

Due to where the raft was located (On transom), the crew would not have been aware it had gone overboard.
Not sure that Fabio's idea for mounting liferafts is that good, as its usually the stern that sinks first.
My preference (for whats its worth - not much I guess) would be fwd of cockpit, in a position on deck.
See location of liferaft on RedFPT, its on the transom !

If one Red Flags a boat, it stops the race for every one else too.
Maybe a black flag for such circumstances, AKA GP F1 ?

[Jon Fuller]

Originally Posted by biffer

without any other damage i would say that was probaly a casting defect, i've seen corners come off but never a middle bit

Whilst off the plane in Lyme bay, looking for a crash helmet, we ran over a bouy of some sort (lobster pot marker maybe), it made a few nasty clanks as it went under us.
I think it's too much of a coincidence that in 3000+ miles of racing this boat/drives, the one race that we run over a solid sounding bouy, our cav plate gets busted and it's anything else but the bouy that did it.

Ho hum.

JF

[Martin The Talker]

Originally Posted by Ciao

FB broke the trophy - About the only thing he broke all week!

Who put the bottle in the goblet ?

[kickon]

Originally Posted by Martin The Talker

Due to where the raft was located (On transom), the crew would not have been aware it had gone overboard.
Not sure that Fabio's idea for mounting liferafts is that good, as its usually the stern that sinks first.
My preference (for whats its worth - not much I guess) would be fwd of cockpit, in a position on deck.
See location of liferaft on RedFPT, its on the transom !

If one Red Flags a boat, it stops the race for every one else too.
Maybe a black flag for such circumstances, AKA GP F1 ?

Liferaft positioning is a very interesting debate, and maybe we should start a new thread to discuss it (?). It has to completely depend on the type of boat, and I would also suggest the fuel of boat too.
Do you want auto deploy, relying on those hydrostatic releases? Or do you want to remain in control of the liferaft, and make it wholly manual? Of course, there are all manner of potential dangers or situations where the crew cannot be in control of the liferaft, where auto is the answer, but then a different scenario where auto is the key. Unless on fire, normally the safest place to remain for as long as possible is the boat...

Can a competitor be retrospectively black flagged after completing the course? In F1, answer yes, as some cars are inspected in 'Parc Ferme', so the same should apply.

[Paul E]

Jacques got blackflagged in a Basic Race here for losing his engine cowl... what's worse?

Certainly seems a strange decision. I wonder what would happen if all the Marathon crew ditched their liferafts during the start run of the next race?

[biffer]

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

Whilst off the plane in Lyme bay, looking for a crash helmet, we ran over a bouy of some sort (lobster pot marker maybe), it made a few nasty clanks as it went under us.
I think it's too much of a coincidence that in 3000+ miles of racing this boat/drives, the one race that we run over a solid sounding bouy, our cav plate gets busted and it's anything else but the bouy that did it.

Ho hum.

JF

that will do it then, should be able to put it back without stripping the box down, check it ain't bent the output shaft, hope not

[Cookee]

Someone got disqualified (Richard Mason I think) in last weekends OCR race for loosing his engine cowling - this will have an impact on the National Championship - maybe he should have protested?

Of course he hasn't ever run the RYA powerboat racing department and he is a lot more Cornish than Italian!

I don't blame Keracoll for trying it on, it's whoever made the decision to let them back in - of course none of us know any details but I would like to know the reasons for letting them back into the results without a whisper?

[DAVE]

Originally Posted by Cookee

Someone got disqualified (Richard Mason I think) in last weekends OCR race for loosing his engine cowling - this will have an impact on the National Championship - maybe he should have protested?

Of course he hasn't ever run the RYA powerboat racing department and he is a lot more Cornish than Italian!

I don't blame Keracoll for trying it on, it's whoever made the decision to let them back in - of course none of us know any details but I would like to know the reasons for letting them back into the results without a whisper?

Brian and me retired at Harwich because we knew we would get DQ'd for losing our engine cowl.........no question.

[Mike Lloyd]

Originally Posted by Cookee

Someone got disqualified (Richard Mason I think) in last weekends OCR race for loosing his engine cowling - this will have an impact on the National Championship - maybe he should have protested?

Of course he hasn't ever run the RYA powerboat racing department and he is a lot more Cornish than Italian!

I don't blame Keracoll for trying it on, it's whoever made the decision to let them back in - of course none of us know any details but I would like to know the reasons for letting them back into the results without a whisper?

The members of the Race Protest Committee (Jury) will be in your Race Instructions.

[Pennpromo]

Originally Posted by Cookee

Someone got disqualified (Richard Mason I think) in last weekends OCR race for loosing his engine cowling - this will have an impact on the National Championship - maybe he should have protested?

Of course he hasn't ever run the RYA powerboat racing department and he is a lot more Cornish than Italian!

I don't blame Keracoll for trying it on, it's whoever made the decision to let them back in - of course none of us know any details but I would like to know the reasons for letting them back into the results without a whisper?

Cookee, don't forget that loosing your cowl will improve the airflow to the engine and thus speed, hence DQ. Wording of Marthon rules staes that you have to carry a liferaft "during the race", not "for the duration of the race". In legaleese its a big difference ...
As I understand it the Jury believed, having taken legal advice, that they had no option but to re-instate. Rules need a re-draft- again !!!

[Martin The Talker]

Originally Posted by DAVE

Brian and me retired at Harwich because we knew we would get DQ'd for losing our engine cowl.........no question.

You are quite right Dave, also John's post re the OCR race.
I heard both opinions stated in the dry pits on Sunday afternoon - some said that the crew (of Kera Kol), wouldn't have known about the raft being lost, & that a DQ would cause the Italian crews to stay away from future races in the UK., Also that it was unfair, or vindictive somehow.
Others who followed, like yourgoodselves, the rules as laid down, naturally stated that a DQ was the only option.

However, it leaves a race organiser, (any race organiser) in a cleft-stick in such circumstances.
One does not willingly upset competitors, but the rules are there, & if you avoid upset on one hand, you invoke upset x many times on the other !
I'm glad I was not on a protest jury !

[Martin The Talker]

Originally Posted by Pennpromo

Cookee, don't forget that loosing your cowl will improve the airflow to the engine and thus speed, hence DQ. Wording of Marthon rules staes that you have to carry a liferaft "during the race", not "for the duration of the race". In legaleese its a big difference ...
As I understand it the Jury believed, having taken legal advice, that they had no option but to re-instate. Rules need a re-draft- again !!!

How right you are Sir !