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04-07-2008, 06:07 PM
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04-07-2008, 06:15 PM
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I have entered.....
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04-07-2008, 06:22 PM
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If we get another motor the fuel system sorted and they change the class 2 spec to the same as RB8 then we will enter
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04-07-2008, 06:57 PM
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Hearing today that Gee and 747 could be up for a "re match" ! Bring it on!
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04-07-2008, 08:30 PM
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Cowes-Torquay-Cowes
Regarding classes - in respect to ex-RB08 entries, my understanding is that the original class listing will be amended, so thaT CLAss rules remain the same for both RB08 & CTC races.
While Powerboat P1 listed their own class definitions early on, at the most recent mtg of the Race Organising Committee, it was agreed that there would be an amendment to the lists, so that class definitions between the two races were identical.
Therefore, if/when entering, please use your RB08 class rule/description, & make ref. to your RB08 entry.
It is the wish of Powerboat P1 & The BPRC, that as many ex-RB08 boats as possible are encouraged to enter the CTC Race (Otherwise we're going to be a bit short !!!).
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04-07-2008, 09:15 PM
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ctc
at the same time as the ctc there is surposed to be a cowes poole cowes for smaller boats but theres still no mention of it on the p1 site,any one know anythink
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04-07-2008, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by blind dog
at the same time as the ctc there is surposed to be a cowes poole cowes for smaller boats but theres still no mention of it on the p1 site,any one know anythink
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That could be fun nice little jolly if correct & the entry is OK
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04-07-2008, 10:54 PM
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i was talking to martin at the cancer and at rb08 and he definatley said there was to be a short race aswell i just cant find any info on it ,i would have thought it would be popular as well
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04-07-2008, 11:46 PM
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Spoke to Maxwell today and it appears the whole "shooting match" is in P1's hands, so hopefully Jim will post here with details.
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05-07-2008, 07:53 AM
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Originally Posted by ciao!
Spoke to Maxwell today and it appears the whole "shooting match" is in P1's hands, so hopefully Jim will post here with details.
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i will get a note out over the weekend, just need to check 1/2 details with colleagues
Jim
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05-07-2008, 07:11 PM
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Re Short Course - Poole & back race.
See Jim O'Toole's separate posting & his one on this thread.
There WILL be a shorter race to Poole Bay (Possible Peverill Ledge Buoy) & back.
It does not appear on the entry form as yet I know, but IT WILL HAPPEN.
I am 'pleading' for BASIC BOATS to be incl in this race too, which is for V24's, which cannot carry enough fuel for the run to Torquay, & with their type of canopy, would not be the right class of boat to cross Lyme Bay (it is said !).
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06-07-2008, 01:46 AM
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According to information I have just been given the BPRC dont think the V24's are capable of completing the course. As such we will not be allowed to enter the Cowes Torquay Cowes race.
So it appears that we have to wait for a few of these old dinasaures to die of old age before we can race a boat that is capable of beating the shyte out of most of the 'proper' race boats out there. Hopefully this will happen faster than slower, so the sport can move on.
The RYA aparently fully supports the BPRC view. That is probably that the powerboat manager does not want to be embarraced by a V24 kicking everyones ass.
It sucks.
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06-07-2008, 01:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin The Talker
....which is for V24's, which cannot carry enough fuel for the run to Torquay, & with their type of canopy, would not be the right class of boat to cross Lyme Bay (it is said !).
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It is said. My ass.
A run to France and back is a day out training for a V24.
22 minutes is the time it takes (just for the record )
We ran from Minehead to Barry and back, we have gone from Ramsgate to Dunkirk and back, we have gone from Weymouth to Plymouth and back and we have gone from Poole to Brighton and back - South of the IOW.
What part of the trip to Torquay is beyond the capability of the V24?
Are the P1 boats - with their canopies - also unable to cross lyme Bay?
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06-07-2008, 09:26 AM
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How strange one min ok then not Ok losing a bit of a grip P1 or is the BPRC trying to flex it's muscle. ROFLMAO
Martin the quote "with their type of canopy" is a little off the cusp it is fully 508 compliant so is it a 508 issue........................
I nearly walked back into racing then but all the old bollix is still there. Nothing change few new faces but much the same by the look of it, roll on poker run.
Jim dont follow up on my e-mail lost intrest in cowes event, will take the kids go karting instead
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06-07-2008, 09:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by verytricky
According to information I have just been given the BPRC dont think the V24's are capable of completing the course. As such we will not be allowed to enter the Cowes Torquay Cowes race.
So it appears that we have to wait for a few of these old dinasaures to die of old age before we can race a boat that is capable of beating the shyte out of most of the 'proper' race boats out there. Hopefully this will happen faster than slower, so the sport can move on.
The RYA aparently fully supports the BPRC view. That is probably that the powerboat manager does not want to be embarraced by a V24 kicking everyones ass.
It sucks.
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Why don't you wait for an official announcement.
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06-07-2008, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by hunton69
Why don't you wait for an official announcement.
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Three emails and one PM, all from P1, BPRC and RYA officals on the space of 8 hours. I would guess this would count as 'advanced notice' that we are not being allowed to race.
What is your take on things given the very sudden burst of communication arriving on a Friday afternoon/evening?
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06-07-2008, 12:01 PM
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1: Rather wait for an official announcement
2: If it's a fuel issue make a larger fuel tank if there is space in the boat.
3: If it's the canopy then none of the evolution boats will be competing with there hatches closed. I been told there more dangerous like that.
4: Hire a chopper with a diver for each boat.
5: More boats the merrier
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06-07-2008, 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by BluFin
How strange one min ok then not Ok losing a bit of a grip P1 or is the BPRC trying to flex it's muscle. ROFLMAO
Martin the quote "with their type of canopy" is a little off the cusp it is fully 508 compliant so is it a 508 issue........................
I nearly walked back into racing then but all the old bollix is still there. Nothing change few new faces but much the same by the look of it, roll on poker run.
Jim dont follow up on my e-mail lost intrest in cowes event, will take the kids go karting instead
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your call ....we are the commercial rightsholders of the event oweners ,our job is to run a safe and possibly even profitable event....if the BPRC and RYA don't think a boat or a class is safe then I'm taking their word , if you don't agree with their classes I can give you Maxwell beaverbrook anmd John Puddifoot's e-mail addresses.....this is their call...You may not like, respect admire or value the individuals or the office they hold, your problem.
Persuade them your boat should race and you'll e welcome with open arms....
meantime,don't tar me with your old fart politics bullshit brush, you don't know me, nor do you know anythign about my agenda...not interested, don't have time, energy , knowledge or inclination to frig around. I have a Simple approach, run a race with partners who decide what's SAFE and what's not
Priority number ONE in all we do is safety of pilots, officials and spectators.
I'm sorry...but race with a boat that the organisers feel we can provide ample safety cover for or don't, nobody's forcing you to race
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06-07-2008, 04:55 PM
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Jim,
Fair play to ya honest answers to the points commented on. but as you say I have made my call on it. That is a personal thing & totally separate from P1. Think it's great you stick your head up and voice what you think & the way you see it. need more to do it. I don’t mind warming a bridge but would hate to torch it.
What I post below is just observations from what is a abstract comment from martin ( Who can freely express also)
Here is what I find funny All V24 ever wanted was to run in the C-T-C It was disappointing that they couldn’t run in RB8 or any other planned endurance event due to the 508 rule. The baseline hull appears in many guises of Rib, the same baseline hulls could comply & Run C-T-C, Even the smaller 23’s could run. Just seems a bit of a funny comment to make ref V 24 to quote the UIM Rulebook V24 Class boats are intended to race in open and unprotected waters
I know it would be very difficult if not impossible to provide 508 cover over the distance of the course, a total logistical nightmare – yes safety is paramount
Now the comment was made on behalf of the BPRC
“with their type of canopy, would not be the right class of boat to cross Lyme Bay (it is said!)”
So how does a V24 canopy vary from the other classes all are covered by the 508 rule. If it’s a canopy thing say it. Knock out all the P1, Class1, 6ltr rigs and anything else that has a canopy as not suitable, also enclosed wheel house cruisers, level the playing field but somehow I seem to think that wouldn’t happen & there lies the nutcotton
Just seems a lot of smoke & misdirection when the real point is No Canopy boats but are reluctant to say it or possibly discriminate against teams with a larger racing budget & canopy
It just comes across as person or persons anti V24’s. I aint got a v24 but I think V24 needed some public support hence my comments, that may or may not be the case but seems strange to focus on their canopies only
Lyme Bay Vs Poole Bay
difference of 7 Mts in depth, conditions are a variable so that’s not a factor
FWIW wrong day, wrong wind it is a shi*^pig of a place to be.
As long as you don’t mess up your nav furthest point is 6 Nm offshore Vs 4.97Nm on a Needles- Peverill Ledge Leg So the difference between the two is really 1Nm.
As I said a lot of smoke & misdirection.
I'm pretty neutral on canopies myself, think they upped the cost of racing in IIIC & IIID to the point a number walked away from the racing. but I quite like the tied up bit for some strange reason
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06-07-2008, 05:04 PM
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How strange one min ok then not Ok losing a bit of a grip P1 or is the BPRC trying to flex it's muscle. ROFLMAO
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It very much appears to be a BPRC and RYA deal. P1 were the first to put V24's onto their entry form and accept our entries. Jim was also in contact from time to time to update me about V24's being accepted by P1.
The V24's can make the distance with a bladder tank - that is round trip no refuel. A significant number of 'acceptable' entries will not be able to do so - and will have to refuel in Torquay, which is acceptable provided you are not a V24.
The rules still state a 21 foot boat can enter - provided it is a rib.
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