Cowes Torquay fees confirmed

[hunton69]

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

So do I!!!

I've already booked two appartments in Cowes!

Only £220,000 for a house on East Cowes Marina

[Captain Chaos]

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

MMmm, and a Merc 6.2 fits kwite-nicely in Class 4! Only throwing away 300cc. Very tidy. Ace's boat would also be very good racing with you.....ACE!! where are ya?

he's prolly being GAY somewhere........... Its ok though, i'll nick his boat and do the CTC on his behalf

[Cookee]

No class for RIB Formula 1 then? I don't know why I bother even keeping a boat any more!

Would have thought National classes would have got a look in, but I suppose that would have been too much to ask!

[hunton69]

Just checked the classes and my boat doesn't fit into anything
Were to short for Class 2 Min 35 foot
Engine size to big for Class 3

[Jon Fuller]

Originally Posted by hunton69

Just checked the classes and my boat doesn't fit into anything
Were to short for Class 2 Min 35 foot
Engine size to big for Class 3

Yes, that's odd. What does your boat measure at? (in the UIM way)

As the other classes seem to mirror the RB rules, maybe this is a wee mistake, I think it's 33' for the RB2 class.

Ask Jimbo. (or his tech mate)

[hunton69]

Not had the boat officially measured but its just under 34 foot

[Jim O'Toole]

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

Yes, that's odd. What does your boat measure at? (in the UIM way)

As the other classes seem to mirror the RB rules, maybe this is a wee mistake, I think it's 33' for the RB2 class.

Ask Jimbo. (or his tech mate)

could well be.....our goal is to make it as inclusive as possible....bit like dunkirk without the shooting.........
so lets see if we can work it out

.speak to steve lydon.....0207 101 7600


jim

[Matt]

I class of 1 hardly constitutes a class!

Originally Posted by Cookee

No class for RIB Formula 1 then? I don't know why I bother even keeping a boat any more!

Would have thought National classes would have got a look in, but I suppose that would have been too much to ask!

[cfun]

Originally Posted by hunton69

Not had the boat officially measured but its just under 34 foot

Should you wish I am sure your boat would Qualify for P1 Supersport rules, however how you would go about gaining that could prove tricky, ballast being one point, and at what cost may prove the stumbling block

[Cookee]

Class 4
24.5 ft minimum length, except for RIBS – 21ft 10 in.

Max engine cc (outboard) 5,100cc 2s (24.5ft min)
3,470cc 4s s/c (21ft 10in)

Excuse me for being thick, but does this mean that RIBs can only be down to 21'10" if they're a 4 stroke?

I class of 1 hardly constitutes a class!

The "RYA" said at the BIBOA "Do" that they were bringing back the longer distance races to promote the class again, but this makes any Formula 1 RIB come in at the bottom of the class (and too light). Also we've never run with liferafts and auxiliaries in CTC either (We as in the class - I only got as far as the start and it was cancelled!)

[Matt]

Why not (finally) get over the rib vs hardboat thing and race in with hardboats. IMVHO splitting ribs from hardboats was always huge mistake since it was diluting a small number of teams into a larger number of classes.

[Cookee]

Originally Posted by Matt

Why not (finally) get over the rib vs hardboat thing and race in with hardboats. IMVHO splitting ribs from hardboats was always huge mistake since it was diluting a small number of teams into a larger number of classes.

Couldn't agree with you more, I would be happy to race against hardboats - I used to in Class III and used to beat them (in the rough!), and in 2005 I came second in the Formula 200 series against all of the RIBs and the hardboats with 200 horsepower - the reason I bring it up is that I think the national classes (or what is left of them) should get a look in, especially the ones that have run in the race most recently.

For the record I think the Formula 200 series could have been very good if it had lived up to all of the promises made by the organisers.

[verytricky]

Originally Posted by Jim O'Toole

....bit like dunkirk without the shooting.........

Personally, I would like to include the shooting, it would make for an interesting start run! Especially if we can ask for a specific RYA official to start the race!

Originally Posted by Jim O'Toole

could well be.....our goal is to make it as inclusive as possible.... ........ so lets see if we can work it out.

It may just be me, but reading the rules for the classes, you appear to have eliminated the V24's from running in any class.

Originally Posted by Jim O'Toole

it's a secret...if i told you.... I'd have to kill you

The RYA appear to have published the RB08 class rules without bothering to do any actual work. They appear to have taken the RB08 class rules directly, in place of working out a proper set of class rules. This is poor, and not a good thing, as the RB08 class rules are flawed in many ways. I am sure we can work on a set of classes that include most of the offshore fleet, and not eliminate most of the offshore fleet!


Just some points:

I dont understand why you would limit class 1 length. What benefit do you have in eliminating boats like the sunseeker predators etc?

There is no overlap between class 1 and class 2 in boat length and class 2 is very tight in terms of boat length. Is this designed to kill off class 2 - or is there a specific boat that only fits into class 2 and it should have no competition?

You can run a 55 foot boat in class 3 but not class 1?

Class 4 can not run V24's ( 24.5 ft minimum length seems specifically designed to exclude the V24's, especially if ribs can enter the class at 21.8 ft! ) There is no class that fits the V24's unless we glue fenders onto the wings ( Ala Bladrunner ) and go as a rib?

Class 4 also excludes all the Class3 C monohulls, All Honda ( not real offshore boats, but still - Hey! )

Class 4 and class 6 look like the same class - or am I missing something? You can have a bigger engine in class 6? Why is it class 6 and not class 3 then?

I understand that you would have liked the simple option of taking on published rules on classes from the RYA - but these are flawed and should be discarded as the rubbish that they are, and a proper set of classes defined which are inclusive of the majority of offshore boats running in the UK.

I dont mind being bumped up into a higher class, I think I would still do well. I do mind being excluded entirely, especially when I have a boat that is capable of doing very well.




* This posting is my opinion and my understanding of fact. It is open to debate and clarification. This posting is my expression of my legal right to free speach under local, European and international laws.

[verytricky]

Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

Jim, do you know yet what licence will be required for the CTC? (this could be the stumbling block,... step forward RYA)

In fairness the RYA should allow anyone with the National Licence for their class of boat to race with their National Licence. International licence holders ( P1 etc ) - same rule.

As this is an event, I would recon that the standard event licence should apply. And if you have bought a Round Britain Licence or have a Newcommers BASIC licence, then those should apply for the event as well.



* This posting is my opinion and my understanding of fact. It is open to debate and clarification. This posting is my expression of my legal right to free speach under local, European and international laws.

[Jon Fuller]

Like the disclaimer!

[TimB-C]

This realy goes against the grain but I actually agree with VT
The rules are in my dated opinion and not taking my little grandsons name in vein a load off "BOLLOXS"
Too many classes, no one will understand what is going on. This is what killed racing in the past. 3 classes possible with a cabin class subsiduary.for 1 and 2.
Another thing 30 knots excludes all the Huntsmans and a lot more cruisers. Should be as per original rules minimum of 21 knots...................
I thought the idea was to get as many boats out there as possible.Bums in boats.
Sorry to say who ever cobbled these rules to-gether has done it without engagging brain.
Sorry Mr O'T but far to complicated and excludes the back bone of the sport and essence of the Cowes/Torquay

[Jim O'Toole]

Originally Posted by TimB-C

This realy goes against the grain but I actually agree with VT
The rules are in my dated opinion and not taking my little grandsons name in vein a load off "BOLLOXS"
Too many classes, no one will understand what is going on. This is what killed racing in the past. 3 classes possible with a cabin class subsiduary.for 1 and 2.
Another thing 30 knots excludes all the Huntsmans and a lot more cruisers. Should be as per original rules minimum of 21 knots...................
I thought the idea was to get as many boats out there as possible.Bums in boats.
Sorry to say who ever cobbled these rules to-gether has done it without engagging brain.
Sorry Mr O'T but far to complicated and excludes the back bone of the sport and essence of the Cowes/Torquay

so give us a solution Einstein

[Carl]

i have raced before,so can i do this event with a basic licence again? what day is the race being run? and my inscription fee for my class is £275 but how much is the paticipation fee? cheers

[TimB-C]

CLASS 1, 2 AND 3 WITH SUB CLASSES OF CABIN CLASS
ie CC1
CC2
Minimum speed 21 knots
Class 1 36' plus 8/10 unlimited.
Class2 upto 36 6 to 8/10 litre
Class3 min 21 up to 6 litre

I do think a classic class also

Entry fee £4/500 all classes, don't rip the rich off and if you realy want to be honest including licence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
YOU ASKED

[TimB-C]

Keep it smple and affordable to all, don't rip people off.
That's what kills racing. The sport needs the "little" guy.................