meeting the r.y.a - Page 2

Cookee · 11-01-2005, 08:57 AM

We need to have the organisation and facilities to cope with all classes of boat for a weekends racing and give the venues and the public something to watch - sounds simple doesn't it?

Thunderbird Racing · 11-01-2005, 05:56 PM

So simple yet easily overlooked. hopefully there will be plenty of discussion and some new ideas and i believe there maybe some new venues on the cards.

Tony Davis · 11-01-2005, 06:27 PM

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Originally posted by Thunderbird Racing
ps Rhino like the "Formula 200" name idea

Why?

What on earth do you think that will solve?

I think the idea of having a meeting with representatives of all the clubs, the RYA and Pete Butler is a great idea, but if you have someone who is seriously considering becoming the series sponsor, you need to do yourselves a favour and keep him as far away from this meeting as you possibly can!

Once they've witnessed the petty arguing that will do doubt happen at this meeting, ( I'm speaking from experience here) you'll have a hard job convincing them that you have anything to offer them for their money.

Cookee · 11-01-2005, 06:46 PM

For various reasons which I am not party to - OCR and the RYA managed to turn away what seemed to me a lucrative deal on the basis that the guy doing the organising was going to benefit from it - the only thing I can't quite get my head around is - SO WHAT? No-one does that much for nothing (TV, Hospitalty and more)

If the sport is to stand any chance of going anywhere I believe that a person / company needs to be given the rights to promote the sport and profit from it on the basis that everyone else can benefit as well ie. TV coverage and things like prize and or start money eventually. This will mean that all the clubs have to do is put on the racing and the promoter can sort out the PR, TV rights and the "Bling" to make racing an event that the public will be interested in actually turning up to see!

Race weekends could be run in tandem with land based events - last year jet ski racing was combined with a well sponsored bikini competition and the crowds were very big indeed!

No-one ever asks the teams to get involved - I have offered help in the past and more often than not that will be the last you ever hear of it!

Rant over for now................

Louise · 11-01-2005, 07:37 PM

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Originally posted by Cookee
For various reasons which I am not party to - OCR and the RYA managed to turn away what seemed to me a lucrative deal on the basis that the guy doing the organising was going to benefit from it - the only thing I can't quite get my head around is - SO WHAT? No-one does that much for nothing (TV, Hospitalty and more)

Agreed! Just look at Formula 1 motor racing and Bernie Ecclestone. He certainly doesn't do it out of the goodness of his heart! But so what! Good luck to him! Us Brits never seem too keen on others doing well for themselves.

My rant's over too!

JBP · 11-01-2005, 09:14 PM

yeh, we do land based stuff too, kids are the hardest of masters and when the british weather turns up on race day you gotta have something to keep things going.
Propmotors/sponsors like to see their money working and as long as you can keep the crowds then the sponsors know they are getting the limelight too.

Our best venue currently is Bristol City docks and to be fair the harbour master & city council do everything from the PA, catchment fences & security from the harbour office to Baltic wharf.

It can be done you just got to be lucky but other times you're lucky just to get the use of a slipway!!!!

RHINO · 12-01-2005, 07:06 PM

i would just like to say to the last 3 thread writers that your negative attitude is just what the sport does not need.a lot of people do a lot of hard work, only to be criticized,by moaners like yourselves.

Cookee · 12-01-2005, 07:17 PM

Take your point, but if you re read my post there are actually some suggestions in there ..... of course if you think they are no help then no offense was intended as you know ...........

JBP · 12-01-2005, 08:38 PM

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Originally posted by RHINO
i would just like to say to the last 3 thread writers that your negative attitude is just what the sport does not need.a lot of people do a lot of hard work, only to be criticized,by moaners like yourselves.

well if you thought my thread was negative I'd hate to think what positive is.

Our club is probably the busiest of all with 9 events and over 50 races to be held this year alone, plus all the weekends in between we give up to encourage the youth to come into the sport through training.

we have been on the sponsor trail for a long time now and are the most active with the RYA to bring new people both into the sport and watch the events, I was not being negative just stating a few facts of life.

I have the highest regard for people like ourselves who give up a lot of time and effort for the sport and do a full time job too, without us there wouldn't be a sport.
Sponsors are one of the keys to move the sport forward lets hope we can all find one.

Louise · 12-01-2005, 08:51 PM

I didn't think I was being negative. Just don't understand (in the proposition described by Cookee) why the OCR/RYA allowed a deal to fall through just because the 'promoter' in the deal wanted to benefit from it too! That's not me being negative - just puzzled and a bit disappointed! And making an observation that a significant amount of people in this country seem to begrudge other people doing well for themselves. Sorry if it seemed I was being negative about racing and the people who organise it - I certainly didn't intend that!

P.S. Good luck with the meeting - hope it goes the way you want it to!

RHINO · 12-01-2005, 10:12 PM

the point i was trying to get across was lets forget whats been done in the past and lets try some new ideas ..the old ideas worked in their day, but times and needs have changed.

JBP · 12-01-2005, 11:43 PM

I agree, the future of our sport has to be the focus for all, hope you have good fortune on Friday.

Cookee · 13-01-2005, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by RHINO
the point i was trying to get across was lets forget whats been done in the past and lets try some new ideas ..the old ideas worked in their day, but times and needs have changed.

Do you think this is a load of rubbish? Try and ignore the "how" for a minute and think about wether it would have the desired effect ...............

If the sport is to stand any chance of going anywhere I believe that a person / company needs to be given the rights to promote the sport and profit from it on the basis that everyone else can benefit as well ie. TV coverage and things like prize and or start money eventually.

This will mean that all the clubs have to do is put on the racing and the promoter can sort out the PR, TV rights and the "Bling" to make racing an event that the public will be interested in actually turning up to see!

I realise implementing radical changes like this is a long term job but for 2006?

JBP · 13-01-2005, 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by RHINO
Well lads, next Friday the 14th, we, the competitors, have got a meeting with the R.Y.A. If everyone invited turns up, we will have a spokesman from r.i.b.s, Class3. o.r.d.a.. u.k.o.b.a. .o.c.r. safety crews.

Ah got it now, class 3/2L only at the meeting, should have guessed by the sub group this thread is in.

Might have helpped if that was spelled out a little clearer. With only one class there should be ok. Good luck.