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04-09-2009, 10:25 PM
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Senior Member
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Merc producing new XS200'S
Don't know if it is good for the class or not - but Mercury appear to be committing to more XS200'S.
September 1, 2009
Dear Mercury Racing Outboard Dealer:
Mercury Racing is pleased to announce the release of the next generation of Mercury OptiMax - the 200XS ROS (Race Offshore) and 200XS SST (Super Sport Tunnel) outboards. These new race models feature a Gen 2, 2.5-liter OptiMax powerhead which combines components from the Mercury Racing OptiMax 2.5XS outboard and the Mercury Racing-engineered OptiMax 175 Pro XS outboard.
The OptiMax 200XS ROS (Race Offshore) is the official power of U.I.M. Class 3C offshore racing, a highly competitive single-engine mono hull offshore racing class which competes throughout Europe.
The OptiMax 200XS ROS will be produced only in the short shaft “SS” 15-inch drive shaft configuration with the 1.75:1 Sport Master gearcase. Both right-hand and left-hand rotation models will be available. Models are intended for single- or twin-engine installations. Right-hand rotation models feature a Sport Master gearcase with a cambered skeg – a natural for single-engine applications such as outboard drag racing.
giving a racers price of $17825
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05-09-2009, 08:32 AM
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Registered User
Location: GOLDEN MILE
Boat name: LILY THE PINK AND TERMINATOR 11
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06-09-2009, 03:59 PM
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Registered User
Location: Guernsey
Interests: Powerboats and Rugby
Boat name: C96 Fast Air
Boat make: Ocke Mannerfelt B-23
Engines: Mercury 200XS
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new 200xs
"All orders must be received no later than Friday, November 13th.with a non-refundable deposit of 30% of the purchase price. Engines will be delivered by March 1st, 2010."
$17,825 at todays exhcange rate of 1.6399 makes them £10,870 - quite a reasonable price?
anyone thinking of ordering one?
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06-09-2009, 04:21 PM
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Registered User
Location: Guernsey
Interests: Powerboats and Rugby
Boat name: C96 Fast Air
Boat make: Ocke Mannerfelt B-23
Engines: Mercury 200XS
Cruising area: Channel Islands
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also...
just lifted this info, quite interesting...
"Any Merc w/ "XS" has as up to 10% more HP than the displayed rating.
175 Pro XS = 192 HP.
200 XS = 220HP
225 Pro XS & Sport XS = 249
250 ProXS & XS = 274
300 XS = 305"
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06-09-2009, 05:04 PM
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Registered User
Country: ENGLAND
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xs
i bet that price is plus vat and the extra 10% that is like a carrott to get you to buy one
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06-09-2009, 05:32 PM
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Registered User
Country: Guernsey
Occupation: Postie
Interests: Heavy Heavy Metal
Boat name: Slayer II, Slayer, Pen15
Boat make: Phantom 19G-R, Bernico F2 Extreme, Ring 15
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Big V
"All orders must be received no later than Friday, November 13th.with a non-refundable deposit of 30% of the purchase price. Engines will be delivered by March 1st, 2010."
$17,825 at todays exhcange rate of 1.6399 makes them £10,870 - quite a reasonable price?
anyone thinking of ordering one?
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You'd have to get it here though and then face Customs stinging you on import duty, which on something like that will be a pretty large percentage of the value
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08-09-2009, 06:44 AM
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Country: Sweden
Boat make: Argo 18
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Big V
just lifted this info, quite interesting...
"Any Merc w/ "XS" has as up to 10% more HP than the displayed rating.
175 Pro XS = 192 HP.
200 XS = 220HP
225 Pro XS & Sport XS = 249
250 ProXS & XS = 274
300 XS = 305"
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Hi,
Where dig you find this info?
I don't think that the new XS complies with UIM rule 734.8 ! It is not going to be carb rated and it's not a standard marine produktion engine! It ian markerad as a race engine!
I'm barking up the samer tree as Adam!
I don't think that it is in the best interesst of the Class!
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08-09-2009, 07:55 AM
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BananaShark Member
Country: UK
Location: Salcombe South Devon
Occupation: Racer and builder
Interests: Winning races
Boat name: BananaShark
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Engines: Twin Yanmar BY 260's
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 24Maniac
Hi,
Where dig you find this info?
I don't think that the new XS complies with UIM rule 734.8 ! It is not going to be carb rated and it's not a standard marine produktion engine! It ian markerad as a race engine!
I'm barking up the samer tree as Adam!
I don't think that it is in the best interesst of the Class!
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They have allowed the Evinrude HO into Class III B and they have the same 10% (or even more) policy so why not? The problem will be that it will make everyone go out and buy new motors as all existing engines will be underpowered!
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08-09-2009, 08:25 AM
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Senior Member
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Just think it so far away from where class 3 was conceived as being - and unlike the E-Tecs it is not a true production engine or generally available to the public.
In all fairness though it is generally a great engine and the class has evolved this way over the years - but my main concern is that it will not really help the class grow or make it more accessable. Can only see 3C becoming more of a niche class with llimited following in some countries. Even more so if the Italians have their way and canopies are compulsory (hopefully won't happen).
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08-09-2009, 02:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cookee
They have allowed the Evinrude HO into Class III B and they have the same 10% (or even more) policy so why not? The problem will be that it will make everyone go out and buy new motors as all existing engines will be underpowered!
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I don't think the horse power is a problem I can't imagine that the old XS was 200hp! But the problem will be that everyone has to buy one(as you said), because who knows when Mercury manutactures them next time!
And what if the new ones are better than the old one!
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08-09-2009, 05:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Adam
Just think it so far away from where class 3 was conceived as being - and unlike the E-Tecs it is not a true production engine or generally available to the public.
In all fairness though it is generally a great engine and the class has evolved this way over the years - but my main concern is that it will not really help the class grow or make it more accessable. Can only see 3C becoming more of a niche class with llimited following in some countries. Even more so if the Italians have their way and canopies are compulsory (hopefully won't happen).
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Well said Adam!
To make Class 3 more accessible maybe the cubic cap limit should be taken away!
And just have min two star Carb rated engines with , 115hp for 3B and 200hp for 3C and 600hp for 3S!?
It would be good to be able to use for example the Evinrude 200H.O or Yamaha 200 V -max or the Mercury 200 pro XS in 3C with a little weight increas! In 3B it would be perfect to be able to use 4-stroke engines as well as 2-strokes!
The Class 3 rule needs to be renewed. The engines cubic cap has increased over the years, and it is time to upgrade the Class3 rules!
Or.......????
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08-09-2009, 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by roofer
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I think you'll find that has SSM VI right in / left out gearcase so not much use unless on a full tunnel, they ain't that strong.
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08-09-2009, 06:39 PM
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Senior Member
Country: UK
Location: Devon
Occupation: Garage Proprietor
Interests: PowerBoat Racing
Boat name: If Only
Boat make: Bernico F3 OCR, Bernico Prototype Inboard, and some Ribs
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 24Maniac
Well said Adam!
To make Class 3 more accessible maybe the cubic cap limit should be taken away!
And just have min two star Carb rated engines with , 115hp for 3B and 200hp for 3C and 600hp for 3S!?
It would be good to be able to use for example the Evinrude 200H.O or Yamaha 200 V -max or the Mercury 200 pro XS in 3C with a little weight increas! In 3B it would be perfect to be able to use 4-stroke engines as well as 2-strokes!
The Class 3 rule needs to be renewed. The engines cubic cap has increased over the years, and it is time to upgrade the Class3 rules!
Or.......????
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I think you will find that the Yamaha 115 4 stroke complies to 3b Epa !!
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08-09-2009, 07:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OCRDA
I think you will find that the Yamaha 115 4 stroke complies to 3b Epa !!
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Have I said that it don`t?
A lot of other 115hp engins don`t!
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08-09-2009, 08:38 PM
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by 24Maniac
Have I said that it don`t?
A lot of other 115hp engins don`t!
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No !! What you said was "In 3B it would be perfect to be able to use 4-stroke engines as well as 2-strokes"
And I said "you can"
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08-09-2009, 09:23 PM
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. Even more so if the Italians have their way and canopies are compulsory (hopefully won't happen).[/quote]
Well as the UK now has no one on Cominoff and no vote how are you going to stop it the Italians will get there way.
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08-09-2009, 09:45 PM
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by wss
. Even more so if the Italians have their way and canopies are compulsory (hopefully won't happen).
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Well as the UK now has no one on Cominoff and no vote how are you going to stop it the Italians will get there way.[/QUOTE]
I am confident Gary that we will get our say !! It does not look as though Italy will agree though.
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08-09-2009, 09:46 PM
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Breakaway from the UIM.
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08-09-2009, 09:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OCRDA
I am confident Gary
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Manchester ???
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08-09-2009, 10:13 PM
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Senior Member
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marinautic
Manchester ???
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Hmmm !! Will let WSS answer that one !!
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