Racing 2010 P1/Honda

[PJC]

Testing with the 300XS has started yesterday

[tony2009]

Originally Posted by PJC

Testing with the 300XS has started yesterday

What was the top speed

[Carl]

now that looks better and im sure sounds better to

[Scream-it.com]

Originally Posted by PJC

Testing with the 300XS has started yesterday

How many 300s are confirmed and signed up for P1?

Don't worry JF it isn't just a case of who they owe money too it is also f... the customers who bought from them in the past. If like some, you buy to win and fund them regularly like the boat team pictured, you get on the Xmas card list (now P1s mailing list I guess) but if you dare whinge, and this is a note for any new customers:

Caveat Emptor applies!!

Happy New Year and I hope Four Nation get through the undermining actions I understand they have had to suffer from F4SA and P1.

Very sad and undertaken by a sad bunch of egotistic desperate people who have no concern for powerboat racing - only their back pockets

Happy New Year

[Scream-it.com]

Originally Posted by PJC

Testing with the 300XS has started yesterday

PS...if you think I am going to spend £35,000 to race this year in your Deal or No Deal then you have to be mad.

This is about extracting more custom, keeping 'Warsash going' under yet another guise and frankly outrageous along with the usual take it or leave attitude that we have become used to with F4SA and associated Companies.

I think the open up and close down business practices will find their day of reckoning as this is not about supporting the boat industry, this is about the possibility that people will wake up and see what damage that 'interesting' business practice is having on both customers and suppliers who have in very recent times been associated. Some will blindly follow and keep opening their cheque books but I for one will not as I have met too many people recently who have suffered.

Four Nations has a chance to clean THIS area of powerboating for the good of the sport and the teams.

P1 is merely sub-contracing to C-Power as I understand it...or is it Cougar or is it Solent Honda or is it Class 1 Ribs or is it 3Cs Marine ....

I bought my Honda boat from Class 1 Ribs Ltd can you damned Cougar lot clarify what has happened to that?

What has happened to 3 Cs Marine who were charging my card in recent times...? That still going?

Or what about the Formula Four Stroke Ltd? That gone yet or going going going?

WAKE UP YOU LOT!!

If you have an interest in a safe and secure Marine industry you don't want people like this in it whatever your loyalties say.


We have all had times of business issue but this lot are taking the piss!

[Tony Davis]

Originally Posted by PJC

Testing with the 300XS has started yesterday

Have you had it over yet?

[Marc]

How fast will that cougar do with the merc 300 ?

[PJC]

79.7

[Big Dutch]

Wow thats almost as fast as my 2 litre ran in 3c !

[Jon Fuller]

Originally Posted by PJC

79.7

That's quite respectable!

Is that after setting up, or is that 'out of the box'

[dowdy]

Not even run in and still 12m.p.h.quicker than a Honda.

[larby]

Originally Posted by Big Dutch

Wow thats almost as fast as my 2 litre ran in 3c !

Man I can't wait to see you doing 83 next year in yours!!

James

[PJC]

Out the box, still running engine in, and only using a standard prop
Handling very good with the weight up top removed

[dowdy]

Scott got his yet?

[Scream-it.com]

Originally Posted by dowdy

Scott got his yet?

Don't think so as he has a brain. Go Four Nations guys and gals and we'll buy all our engines together next year as planned when this recession has eased off a bit and incidentally, Dowdy, for a LOT LESS THAN FROM P1 (VIA the c-power contract ???) Remember, Four Nations is owned by the teams and any sponsorship will benefit teams and not be absorbed by the P1 machine. Group purchase of engines will benefit all.

The glory of Europe? I don't think so if its like last year against a handful of boats and down from 18-20 to 6 fully competing.

The best way to rebuild this series is to take Warsash out of the controlling equation. Infrsatructure is now developing nicely and the spirit of the teams is there except for the very few who are prepared to spend excessively in supporting the P1 Deal in the 225 class - sorry the 'let's buy a new engine only from Cougar 300 class'.

P1 cannot do the deal at the moment as they want it all their way. My advice to them would be to give up and pull out of the deal and let the teams get on with it and talk next year.

They promise the earth, expect all the information on a plate, give little information back, exclude teams they do not wish to communicate with. Nice and sporting that.

Spend £35,000 supporting P1 Superstock or is it vegetable stock this year?

In a word?

The pressure is on a bit for Mr Hindley and Mr Wicks at P1 - for they have brought to their King a series from F4SA and not the teams who you would have thought would be their first priority and not their last.

They could have avoided all the politics by doing a proper diligence and talking to teams well in advance but they have adopted the pure arrogance of F4SA probably because they believed F4SA.

[Cookee]

Originally Posted by PJC

79.7

Is that with 300hp or detuned to 250? Will you run with 300hp or detune the motors to 250hp for the race series?

[hunton69]

Originally Posted by Cookee

Is that with 300hp or detuned to 250? Will you run with 300hp or detune the motors to 250hp for the race series?

Would be very surprised to see that speed with a 250

[PJC]

full 300hp, engine low

[Cookee]

Originally Posted by PJC

full 300hp, engine low

There was a report on here about running the 300's detuned to 250 - any truth in that?

[cfun]

Do I recall reading a Phantom 25 with either a 280 or 300 did around 76-77mph, perhaps 6mph slower speed as not a stepped designed hull but legendary sea keeping instead ... out of interest I think it's been mentioned before that the old 3D Phantoms with 2x150Mercs did around 68-70ish mph much slower than a single engine set up of today, is this right

As I mentioned on another thread I really can't see the P1 stance on this speed thing, when you look at all the fuss P1 made about SuperSport breaking out over 85mph in 38-40' boats and how dangerous they considered it to be bla bla bla ... yet they are prepared to allow the racing of a light 26' boat at 75ish mph only 12% less speed in a boat volume wise is massively smaller, seems completely bonkers logic to me