Rb12

[RB12]

Round Britain 2012

John “Cookee” Cooke here - I have been asked to represent the RB12 race ”Online” for the benefit of everybody – the competitors, the spectators and of course the organisers – so that everyone can keep up to date with what’s going on as the race develops, and ask questions about the race.

First things first - My observations and questions answered.

The start/finish and venues will be confirmed by the last quarter of this year, that is to say sometime after the beginning of September, but definitely before the end of the year.

The race already has the stamp of approval from the UIM, the RYA, the Princes Trust -Sport United, the Royal Aero Club and GoMotorsport.

John Puddifoot and Richard Salaman are confirmed as Race Director and Safety Officer.

The Air race will be launched between April and June, and the road race between July and September.

The event itself will be Carbon Neutral as RB12 will be purchasing carbon credits on behalf of the competitors. If any team requires assistance in becoming carbon neutral in the build up period or racing in general then RB12 will be able to help advise.

If anyone would like a copy of the presentation that was shown at the boat show, then drop me an email and I’ll reply with a copy for you.

There has been a lot of conjecture about the entry fees paying for or supporting a massive shore side entertainment event at every venue, the fact is that these events will be self supporting and merely an “add on” for the venues to make it more of an event and to attract spectators and sponsors.

Another aspect of the event are the “Social Inclusion”, “Social Enterprise”, Training and Employment” and “Education” elements of the event as a whole, all of which add value to the event for everyone involved, especially the host venues that support the event.

In the coming months I will be writing a series of articles covering every aspect of the event, and trying to make it clear exactly what the paragraph above means to the race and the people involved.

I will be answering questions on Boatmad, Ribnet and of course the RB12 forum – if I don’t have the answer, I know a man who does!

On a personal note I am doing this because I have seen so many misunderstandings in the past, and it seems that rather than ask the organisers of a race questions are put on forums where people who aren’t in the know give the best answer they can, and sometimes this can lead to misunderstandings – that and they’re paying me!

You can email me at the address in my profile or send me a PM

[hunton69]

Good luck to all those involved

Very strange that by September teams would of splashed out £500 plus 30% entry fee and there ain't no details about what your getting for your buck.

For that reason Were Out

[Ben]

"Social Inclusion", "Carbon Neutral", "Puddifoot". Sorry Cookee but such language makes my toes curl.

Hope it all works out though.

[RB12]

Originally Posted by hunton69

Good luck to all those involved

Very strange that by September teams would of splashed out £500 plus 30% entry fee and there ain't no details about what your getting for your buck.

For that reason Were Out

Hi Barry,

Very good point, and I am assured the website is well overdue an update and will be done very soon. In the meantime I am happy to send you a copy of the presentation from the boat show if you let me have your email address.

You will get as a minimum pretty much exactly the same as RB08 for your money. The biggest difference will be the venues, and as I said above, they will be confirmed later this year.

Don't forget the event is still over two years away!

Ben - Yes I know what you mean, and one of the things I hope to be able to explain is not only what all of those things actually mean (I'm learning here as well), but also what they mean to the race and everyone involved. Watch this space!

[hunton69]

Check out the new entry discounts

They say there running this as a business

So for a 40% discount based on a boat with 1000hp you pay £9,312 in 2 weeks time that is 2 years and 3 months in advance and your not even sure.
Where your going or what your getting for your money.

I'm in the wrong business

Just worked it out it does say due by April 1st.

[RB12]

Originally Posted by hunton69

Check out the new entry discounts

They say there running this as a business

So for a 40% discount based on a boat with 1000hp you pay £9,312 in 2 weeks time that is 2 years and 3 months in advance and your not even sure.
Where your going or what your getting for your money.

I'm in the wrong business

Just worked it out it does say due by April 1st.

Hi Barry,

Not sure on your maths -in the example given in the newsletter it states 3 options, the cheapest of which is to pay 100% on April 1st (and I do get the relevance of the date! :-) ) and that comes to £8,812 including VAT, and that would be cheaper that RB08 - that is a discount of 40%, there are also other payment plans which give 25% and 10% discounts.

On the website payment page there are details on what you get included for your money.

I agree that the venues for the stopovers and indeed the Start Finish points have yet to be announced, but the lengths of the legs will be similar to previous races, and some of the venues may even be the same, but the point is that the race will be going round Britain clockwise (including Scotland) and stopping overnight each day, with over two years to go it's a bit early to be booking the accommodation!

I have attached a copy of the Newsletter PDF

[hunton69]

Originally Posted by RB12

Hi Barry,

Not sure on your maths -in the example given in the newsletter it states 3 options, the cheapest of which is to pay 100% on April 1st (and I do get the relevance of the date! :-) ) and that comes to £8,812 including VAT, and that would be cheaper that RB08 - that is a discount of 40%, there are also other payment plans which give 25% and 10% discounts.

On the website payment page there are details on what you get included for your money.

I agree that the venues for the stopovers and indeed the Start Finish points have yet to be announced, but the lengths of the legs will be similar to previous races, and some of the venues may even be the same, but the point is that the race will be going round Britain clockwise (including Scotland) and stopping overnight each day, with over two years to go it's a bit early to be booking the accommodation!

I have attached a copy of the Newsletter PDF

Sorry i misunderstood i never realised that you deduct the £500 non refundable deposit off your entry fee.

When you buy something you generally want to know what your getting all i can see on your web site is a race around Britain.

This is much more than just a race for many that might want to take part.

It's like ordering a Range Rover but not knowing what model i'm getting


Before i splash my cash on anything i want to know what i get for my buck unfortunatly i aint seeing any thing.

May be i'm missing something

[RB12]

Originally Posted by hunton69

May be i'm missing something

Hi Barry, not sure if you found this yet, it's a couple of pages in on the payment page and sets out what you get, just not exactly where!

Race staffing costs
Marina costs
Hire of Tracking system
On shore medical team
Craneage
Fuel distribution
Safety
Daily meteorological reports
Receptions at each venue
RYA Event insurance
Race start party
Race finish party and prizegiving
Race DVD

Nothing different to RB08 really.

Before anyone comments on the receptions at each venue, let me explain. Just like the Harwich event these are being funded and run separately, so you won't being bankrolling a rock concert or anything, but if you have the energy after being beaten up in the boat all day, then I am sure there will be great entertainment available!

[Mike Lloyd]

Originally Posted by RB12

Nothing different to RB08 really.

Oh, come on Cookee, no insults please.
ML.
.

[hunton69]

Originally Posted by RB12

Nothing different to RB08 really.

!

Only 4 grand

[RB12]

Originally Posted by OldMan

Oh, come on Cookee, no insults please.
ML.
.

None intended Mike, as you know I have a lot of respect for what you achieved, both in the RB08 and the Cowes Torquay, all I meant was that the RB12 team will be offering exactly the same facilities as you did - Have I missed anything off the list?

Obviously some or all of the venues will be different, and the way it will all be achieved will be different, but the competitors will get everything on the list which is everything you should reasonably expect as a Round Britain competitor.

Barry - The price is higher - £10 versus £12.50 plus VAT whatever that comes to, maybe some people will not think it's worth that, but the indication is that there will be plenty of entries at that price - of course with over two years to go it's a bit difficult to be sure, so we'll just have to wait and see.

[hunton69]

Originally Posted by RB12

Barry - The price is higher - £10 versus £12.50 plus VAT whatever that comes to, maybe some people will not think it's worth that, but the indication is that there will be plenty of entries at that price - of course with over two years to go it's a bit difficult to be sure, so we'll just have to wait and see.

Thats worring it comes to 40% more than RB8 and so far your not offering anything more. I'm not sure as organisers you understand why people enter races.
My guess is some to win and most to have a life time experience.

All that's quoted is what you have to provide to run a race other than the dvd and parties.

To enter a class 2 the minimum would be approx 30 grand

I need to know alot more as an example

Locations: Are we in marinas or stranded out on pontoons
(Not knocking you MIke and your brilliant RB8 team but lets face it Milford was grim ) and there were others

What parking facilities for support crew

What Publicity willl there be for teams and sponsors

Will only the top teams receive all the publicity

What kind of parties ( we can all provide a tacky tent with tin beer )

What hospitality is provided for sponsors or teams

How much will be spent on promoting the event

What are the enviromental issues that we will experience

Will members of the public be welcome

and many more

Your asking for a lot of money now and not much appears to be in place

Finally reading between the lines I disagree with you about the number of entries you expect.

Lets hope i'm wrong

[Downhilldai]

Originally Posted by hunton69

lets face it Milford was grim

And you guys were there for the most prestigious event in the town's 2008 calendar.

Milford Haven needs all the financial help & support it can get. It would be a shame to see it dropped as a RB12 venue. Perhaps something can be done locally to provide crews with a warmer and more comfortable welcome?

[RB12]

Barry, I have had a word with Stuart at the RB12 office, and the answers to your questions are below:


That’s worrying it comes to 40% more than RB8 and so far you’re not offering anything more. We have released a discount scheme to allow up to 40% off the stated entry fees by paying in advance by the 30 Apr 2010 or by spreading payments to get a 25% discount if paid by 01 May 2011. As you state below a race DVD and parties have been added?



I'm not sure as organisers you understand why people enter races, my guess is some to win and most to have a life time experience. Agreed, in fact most people have said this in their registration. everyone has their own reason, we want to put on an event that people want to take part in.

All that's quoted is what you have to provide to run a race other than the DVD and parties. The DVD was sold as an extra for RB08 competitors & 3 receptions were hosted. The DVD is included and there will be 12 receptions in RB12 (see below).

To enter a Class 2 the minimum would be approx 30 grand See the discount scheme posted on the RB12 Forum which could make the same entry 18k.

I need to know a lot more as an example

Locations: Are we in marinas or stranded out on pontoons Marinas The plan is to be in the best location available in the venue and to be in prominent positions that afford the public a good view.

What parking facilities for support crew. Ample. We will be asking for individual team requirements in due course. We are of course aware of the need of some large vehicles that will be following the event.

What Publicity will there be for teams and sponsors Ongoing talks in progress with terrestrial & digital TV. We will also be using our partnership with The Prince's Trust to provide marketing via their Press Office.

Will only the top teams receive all the publicity No.

What kind of parties ( we can all provide a tacky tent with tin beer ) We want competitors to be able to meet and socialise after each days racing etc and will host receptions at each venue to enable this. By and large venues will be marinas. They will be modest (but above the tacky tent example). We would need to charge more for unlimited lavish parties.

What hospitality is provided for sponsors or teams Hospitality at venues will be for paying competitors, if however teams want to discuss there own sponsors requirements at venues then please do get in touch.
How much will be spent on promoting the event We expect to appoint a media partner for this.

What are the environmental issues that we will experience Much of the time in organising this event is being taken up with "green" issues. Since RB08 much has changed and more attention to environmental issues is required. We are working in conjunction with the RYA to negate issues. The event is already committed to being Carbon Neutral – “...Working in close partnership with Carbon Advice Group Plc, we will encourage all of our competitors, as well as their support and logistics teams to calculate, reduce and offset their carbon footprint by using our web based calculator. Our objective is to ensure the carbon footprint of the entire RB12 event will be minimised as far as possible and as such see it as our responsibility to inform and educate the participants as to how they can calculate, reduce and offset the likely carbon emissions. www.carbonadvicegroup.com/rb12.html

Will members of the public be welcome Yes as spectators/visitors.


We are very happy to answer any questions from any potential competitor, please do get in touch. In fact, we would like to invite you to a meeting to discuss your questions. Always better to discuss these things in person rather than in writing on the internet which is slightly impersonal. An email has been sent from RB12 to invite you in. If that does not get to you then please call the office 01590 626444 to arrange a date.

Your asking for a lot of money now and not much appears to be in place. Why not meet up to discuss the event with us?

Finally reading between the lines I disagree with you about the number of entries you expect. Let’s hope I’m wrong Couldn’t agree more!

[hunton69]

Originally Posted by Downhilldai

And you guys were there for the most prestigious event in the town's 2008 calendar.

Milford Haven needs all the financial help & support it can get. It would be a shame to see it dropped as a RB12 venue. Perhaps something can be done locally to provide crews with a warmer and more comfortable welcome?

This was not ment as an insult to Milford or Mike, as at the time it was the best that was viable
How ever if you charge more you get more and we can all learn from Pioneers
( and yes thats spelt wrong ) but i know my maths.

[RB12]

The "Notice of Race" is on the RB12 forum or can be downloaded from here Notice of Race this includes the Qualification and experience required and entry forms.

[RB12]

RB12 will be at RIBEX in Cowes during the 7-9 May 2010. The team from RB12 will be more than happy to chat over any part of the event.

The discount offer ends 31 April 2010.

Just to remind everyone that has registered that the discount scheme ends at the end of the month. If you intend to take advantage of the discounts offered, then time is running out fast!

[Mikko Oikari]

Found this under "RB12-Air".

THE ROUND BRITAIN RACE 2012 – AIR – Proposed Route
The intention, where possible, is to start all the cars, boats and aircraft from one location. To achieve this, the aircraft will be given starting time slots. If you miss your time slot, you will be disqualified from that leg. The aircraft will start when directly over head the starting point and finish when directly over head the finish point.

The start and finish points for all legs are listed below:

Start Finish
Leg 1: Weymouth Penzance
Leg 2: Penzance Swansea
Leg 3: Swansea Liverpool
Leg 4: Liverpool Campbeltown
Leg 5: Campbeltown Kyle of Lochalsh
Leg 6: Kyle of Lochalsh Thurso
Leg 7: Thurso Edinburgh
Leg 8: Edinburgh Hull
Leg 9: Hull London/Harwich
Leg 10: London/Harwich Southampton
Leg 11: Southampton Weymouth

[RB12]

Hi Guys, That is the proposed route only, the Air race was launched at the weekend at an Air Show and it was decided to give them some idea of what the venues may be.

I am hoping to be able to confirm the exact route in the not too distant future, but as you can imagine there is a lot of work to do before that can be done.

In the meantime RB12 are sponsoring the Cowes Classic and there will be an announcement soon about what you can expect shoreside in Cowes this year soon. The RB12 crew will have nothing at all to do with the actual running of the event but intend to make it more attractive to the public and more of an "Event" for everyone - details soon!

[RB12]

Time for an update before Cowes!

The website now has full details of the course and I will be updating everyone with more details of the venues etc soon.

For those of you that have read the Cowes Race Instructions (available on http://cowes2011.co.uk) you will see that RB12 is once again supporting the Cowes Torquay race and there will be a meeting at the Cowes Corinthian YC at 12 on Saturday for anyone that would like to come.

There are now only 15 places left in the Boat section of the race, and the air and road parts are also filling up nicely.

Full details will be posted on the RB12 website of the meeting for those that cannot attend the meeting in Cowes - It's only 10 months to go now so start making plans now or you'll be too late!