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29-07-2008, 08:17 PM
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Round the Island sounds great, although I do remember when I was event director that QHM Portsmouth were not keen on powerboats crossing their water.
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Need a better pic mate!
http://www.britishpowerboatracingclub.co.uk/class2.htm
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29-07-2008, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
Not sure what the basic rules will allow, as they seem to be in limbo right now. If it's considered ok, and the general thought is that the boats can go the distance (ie, carry the fuel) maybe cowes, to peveril, and back to Cowes via the south side of the island?? a similar course to that done for class III a few years back.
What ya reckon?
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Jon
No way will "THEY" allow us to go round the Island. For the Peveril Race it will be down to Poole, around the bay and back up the Solent. Courses being approved tomorrow.
Re Classes, you will see (John Moore will explain shortly) that we have added the "Superboat Class" and we have also added Class 111C (National Rules). V24 (National Rules) and Honda 225 (National Rules) in other words everyone who has a race boat can run with us.
ML.
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29-07-2008, 08:50 PM
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CPC Course
The question about running the 'shorter race' around the IOW can be answered easily, but, being me, not in just one sentance !
QHM Portsmouth control waters around the NE of the IOW.
ABP control waters from the QHM 'boundary' to line south of Calshot, or north from Cowes !
Both organisation,[ in this wonderful world of risk assessments, health & safety, etc., ad nausium,] INSIST on such high levels of safety-boat cover, that you would need probably 50+ safety boats just to cover the area from Bembridge back to Cowes !
That cover is NOT for safety of race-crews, but to warn & protect other boats, etc.! of the EXTREME DANGER that these terrible race boats pose to everyone !
Not too difficult in that senario to see why an alternative was agreed.
The Cowes/Peverill/Cowes course was chosen & agreed as it does not need much extra safety-boat cover, from the CTC race.
The same boats cover the course for both races as far as Peverill Ledge.
The plan agreed originally, was for Start boat to start CTC race at 10.00.
Same boat returns to 'pick-up' second race starters, & after they start at 10.15, the start boat, having previously taken aboard a dive team, shadow the CPC racers, with a view to providing safety cover for any V24 unfortunate enough to require their services.
I have outlined this plan to 'Old Man' , along with all other relevant info' regarding Torquay arrangements, etc.
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29-07-2008, 09:35 PM
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#44
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Cowes - Safety cover
OK Guys
After talking to Mike Lloyd and Maxwell Beaverbrook, it looks like we are going to do this "our way"!
So, with that in mind, I need to know how many of you guys out there are prepared to act as Safety and Marshall boats.
Obviously, for the CTC it would be beneficial if we could find some boats in the Solent, out of Poole, Weymouth and Torquay. This would cover both the races.
With this in mind, we are looking for safety and marshall boats. This will be on a 100% voluntary basis, as there will not be any budget to pay for fuel, pack lunches, etc.
So if you are up for this - can you please PM me with the details of your boat, where you come from and contact details ASAP.
Kind regards
Gary Manchester
Chairman, RYA Offshore Racing Committee
PS: I will be there with my boat - so that makes one - now I need the rest of you to help and I think you'll find it could end up being one hell of a Race Weekend.
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29-07-2008, 09:38 PM
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If you want to generate some more entries for the 'short course' race I would have thought the inclusion of a low cost 'Historic' class with Fairey type boats in mind could entice out quite a few old racers.
I know that Team 747, Swordsman, Xanthus, Gee, Ocean Pirate and the unfortunate Blue Marlin's efforts were closely followed by the http://www.faireyownersclub.co.uk/ and I reckon quite a few of those and others could be persuaded out by the right low cost, simple package.
Might have to drop the minimum speed requirement a little though.
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29-07-2008, 10:19 PM
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We were a paid entry with Mizz Donzi for the cpc race. We are still wanting to take part in the event and so are putting forward our support in order to make this race happen. Could also help with the safety boat aspect out of Poole area
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29-07-2008, 11:49 PM
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Now that Mike is involved, I wouldnt worry too much!
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30-07-2008, 12:48 AM
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Originally Posted by ciao!
Now that Mike is involved, I wouldnt worry too much!
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You been on the red wine John, thats what boat builders say with only 5 days to go before a race
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30-07-2008, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by OldMan
Jon
No way will "THEY" allow us to go round the Island. For the Peveril Race it will be down to Poole, around the bay and back up the Solent. Courses being approved tomorrow.
Re Classes, you will see (John Moore will explain shortly) that we have added the "Superboat Class" and we have also added Class 111C (National Rules). V24 (National Rules) and Honda 225 (National Rules) in other words everyone who has a race boat can run with us.
ML.
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Will IIIC and Honda be eligible for the CTC or just the short race?
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30-07-2008, 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Cookee
Will IIIC and Honda be eligible for the CTC or just the short race?
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I would suggest that they just go for the short race although we won't ban them from doing the big one if they have the fuel range. I would take my hat off to anyone in a Honda 225 wanting to go across Lyme Bay though as JF will vouch! Sure would be a challenge. Lyme Bay is a lonely lonely place for 50/60mins unless of course you tuck into the coast and do a "Tommy Sopwith".
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30-07-2008, 09:07 AM
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Ctc
Hi ML
I know i should maybe not saying this but how sure are we this is going to happen. The reason i am asking is we have a "herd" of animals that we need to get into kennels etc if we are coming over to Cowes so would need to get sorted ASAP. Thanks Claire
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30-07-2008, 10:44 AM
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Round the Island is possible.
Right now with less than 3 weeks - I am not sure.
I found in my negotiations with the Harbour masters that they were HELPFULL and willing to negotiate a solution to getting the race on last year.
What they dont like is:
1) Being told what will happen in their waters.
2) A race line that is 100% in the opposing direction to their traffic lanes and in the same path
3) A race line that leaves a string of boats crossing their critical turn points for an hour.
Moving the race out of their traffic lanes or racing with the traffic and not against the traffic, and immediately they let the race go ahead.
So in place of just saying THEY are difficult and wont let it happen, try asking them WHAT their conserns are and how they can be mitigated. Then you find they are helpful people who actually help put the race on, and encorage the race.
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.Just my experiance of a hulpful bunch of guys.
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30-07-2008, 10:52 AM
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FWIW - I think *ALL* national classes should be allowed to enter any event of they have the fuel range. This includes the Blowup-Pretend-Boats with single engines.
I will provide the Bladerunner as a Safety Boat in Lyme Bay, with a diver on board.
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30-07-2008, 06:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smillie
Hi ML
I know i should maybe not saying this but how sure are we this is going to happen. The reason i am asking is we have a "herd" of animals that we need to get into kennels etc if we are coming over to Cowes so would need to get sorted ASAP. Thanks Claire
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The Race IS going to happen as stated.
ML.
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30-07-2008, 06:26 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smillie
Hi ML
I know i should maybe not saying this but how sure are we this is going to happen. The reason i am asking is we have a "herd" of animals that we need to get into kennels etc if we are coming over to Cowes so would need to get sorted ASAP. Thanks Claire
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Just leave the kids at home!
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30-07-2008, 06:49 PM
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Jon
I would prefer to take animals than kids but then again Eric needs to be there!!
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30-07-2008, 11:13 PM
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The 'facts' section states that CTC requires a National Licence. Has this been confirmed? I understood from Gary M that this would be run as a BASIC event. Can someone confirm?
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30-07-2008, 11:27 PM
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My understanding is that a BASIC (DAY) LICENCE can be used for the Cowes/Peverill/Cowes Race, which is rated as a basic race.
Please advise - what is a blow-up pretend single engine boat - please ?
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30-07-2008, 11:35 PM
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And while checking, Full or Provisional?
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Originally Posted by verytricky
The 'facts' section states that CTC requires a National Licence. Has this been confirmed? I understood from Gary M that this would be run as a BASIC event. Can someone confirm?
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31-07-2008, 04:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Martin The Talker
My understanding is that a BASIC (DAY) LICENCE can be used for the Cowes/Peverill/Cowes Race, which is rated as a basic race.
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It is my understanding that that is everyones understanding, and has been everyones understanding since the CPC was first mooted. The question however refers to the CTC and not the CPC.
Gary M initially inferred that the CTC was running as a BASIC race and that a BASIC licence could be bought on the day. Obviously if this is not the case, then it should be quite important to tell the entrants to the race what the licence requirements are, early enough for the correct licence to be purchaced if it can not be bought on the day.
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Originally Posted by Martin The Talker
Please advise - what is a blow-up pretend single engine boat - please ?
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A RIB / RHIB. Similar to a real boat, but with some air filled water wings glued to the sides so they dont sink or something like that. What John puddifoot drives, but with a single engine. Names like the Pascoe SR9 and the BananaShark race boats.
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