Round the Island race

[cfun]

I feel sorry for the teams like Mike and Jackie that's there hard earned cash going into that plus all there crews time to make it happen for them...only to end up in a farce where they are not in a position to know where they came in spite of being the quickest in there group, it must be very very frustrating no doubt they will give Boatmad there take on it on there return from Cowes

[Woody]

Powerboat P1 have provisionally given the win to Mike and Jackie, as stated on P1's website this evening.

Well done Mike & Jackie

[TimB-C]

Very well done indeed, however hollow it must feel, we all forget how hard people like and Mike work in every day life to be able to compete and then have this happen............

[TimB-C]

P.S meant to say Mike AND Jackie work..............sincerest appologies Jackie

[CB1]

The prolem with P1 is that it is run under pleasure navigation rules, hence tha anolamies regarding safety etc. In P1 you can have a open boat but still be harnessed in, ala Jackie and Mike.

[TimB-C]

The P1 rules have more holes than a Marks and Spencer vest and no more credibility than "Del Boy"

[Hazardous]

So 87 mph in a force 5 is safe, but 88 mph in perfect conditions is dangerous...........

...not sure I understand!!!!!

[TimB-C]

I am probably being thick here Hazardous, but not sure I understand your comment..........................and I'm pretty sure I'm going to regret asking tho

[Hazardous]

The P1 press release says that they are given the maximum average speed rule as a safety issue. Surely conditions dictate what is safe?

I agree with your earlier comments, lets not call it a race if they are not allowed to race each other, and lets call it a predicted log!

[TimB-C]

ok thanks...........................................s o only half thick !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[verytricky]

Originally Posted by TimB-C

... by the idiots at RYA or Gary M and his ORC ******, so please lets back real racing and not let the "PC" crew totaly destroy it..

I did not know Gary or the RYA ran P1.
I do know that Gary was one of the primary organisers of all other races *except* P1.


The round the island race was great. Pete Little showed how a V24 should be driven, but still only won by a few yards! Under a second between us. I personally blame a poor start, and Gary M was directly responsible for that, so yesterday he was on my bad look list!

[TimB-C]

well done on a 2nd,did you up the record?
I respectfully suggest you re-read my comments..................... you have misunderstood me...............Although indirectly they do contribute to ALL inane rules of RYA/UIM etc

[verytricky]

I asked the question yesterday regarding P1 and the speed rule. The 'class' of racing is 'pleasure navigation' which was set up for people like the GnT squad to poodle about pretending to race. It was never intended to be a powerboat race event with proper powerboats taking part. The rules P1 *should* be running under are a different class, and the P1 organisers dont own the rights to that class. That class would have mandatory canopies, as all UIM classes who start to exceed a set speed ( I think it is 140kph?? ) then they are required to move over to canopied boats. Even Class 3 d is mandatory canopied.

[TimB-C]

I wonder how I have lived so long!!!!!!!!!!!! I have raced every class offshore.............every........................ ... and every class in circuit except the old NE class and more yet still here either I am exceptionally bad (only the good die young!!!) or??????????????????????????? Maybe we've all gone pc mad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It really all comes down to following the original rules of the sea and driving to the conditions................. or maybe just common sensce?????

[verytricky]

Now you are being silly - Common sence is *not* common, and you should know that. Because we are becoming more and more stupid as time goes by ( The law of natural selection is being protested ) we have to legislate to ensure that people dont do things that you would not do if you had common sence.

I dont mean racing for example, I mean racing to your limit - that is common sence - you know you can not do any more, so you back off slightly. These days you have to make it law to do so as people are too stupid to understand.

Plus, once you have hurt yourself being stupid, there are thirty lawyers all clamoring to represent you for free! Even defending a cut and dry case of stupidity costs tens of thousands these days, so the smart lawyers will pitch the stupidity claim at around the 70% of the defence costs, and settle! Easy money.

My best one ever was the guy who worked at Standard Chartered who successfully claimed against the bank because when they installed double glazing in their offices, they did not put up signs warning there were two panes of glass. The guy looked out of the slightly dirty window, and banged his head on the clean inside pane. What is scary is that he won and won again on appeal!!

[TimB-C]

The world gone crazy
This is why Iwant Mike Lloyd to have a no protest rule or at the very least all drivers sign to say they will not protest each other during the RB08 and leave it to the scruitineers to stop/catch/find any misdameaners........... easy but alass probably not practical

[verytricky]

A no protest rule would be great, but then you have to trust your scrutineers to do a proper job......

[TimB-C]

I KNOW Rob Beakhust can be trusted...............and believe it or not so can Terry Herring even if he is an old woman and pickie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cfun]

Originally Posted by cfun

I feel sorry for the teams like Mike and Jackie that's there hard earned cash going into that plus all there crews time to make it happen for them...only to end up in a farce where they are not in a position to know where they came in spite of being the quickest in there group, it must be very very frustrating no doubt they will give Boatmad there take on it on there return from Cowes

having thought about the above it's not quite the statement I would like it's to negative...Because P1 have given us petrol head powerboat followers a great spectacle to watch in power boating's back yard (the Isle of wight), in spite of the rule it races under, and as I understand the original idea being to race all the old Mono hulls lying around from the 70/80's heydays may well have not managed to exceed the 87mph rule...after last years race 1 at the same venue the same happened due in part to calm conditions, however then they had not to go over 87mph for every lap of the race, P1 obviously felt 87mph for the entire race raised the bar, however with the new supper fast hulls appearing this again has proven inadequate, so I am sure they will go back to the drawing board and come up with another way.......

|It was a pity all the winning teams could not have there champagne throwing
prize giving, but I should not feel sorry for the teams they are doing what they love and living life to the full just a bit of tampering with the rules will be required for them to leave with a smile and a cup

[verytricky]

It could be a simple technical solution. Parts for wich already exist:

GPS satelite warnings systems exist, which flash a light when you exceed the national speed limit for the road you are on. V24 have just bought a load of loggers that have an optional speed warning indicator, which provides power to a relay.

All engines use an ignition system. These can be retarded by a signal from a switch or other source.

Marry the two.

A GPS system that retards the engines of the boat when they reach the magic number. That way it is not possible at any time for any boat to exceed the speed limit imposed, and you have a race to the finishing line.

Due to the loss of speed when the limiter kicks in drivers would attempt at all costs to keep below the speed limit.

The cost per boat would be IRO £500.