Rules 1, Competitor nil!

Tony Davis · 13-07-2010, 04:50 PM

Who'd have thought it, been working on a 28 Phantom (copy) with a pair of 300 Promax's, plan being to run it in Marathon class C.

Had it measured today, and it's too short, and the motors are too big by 44cc's.

Foolish · 13-07-2010, 04:56 PM

short by how much ?

Tony Davis · 13-07-2010, 04:58 PM

7 inches.

26'5" is the UIM measurement for said boat!

Carl · 13-07-2010, 05:13 PM

cant you get one of cookees beaks for it

Foolish · 13-07-2010, 05:13 PM

so does it not fit ANY class ?

Captain Chaos · 13-07-2010, 05:15 PM

Another Phantom "they" seem desperte to exclude from Racing. It is hilarious that in a time when theres seems little to no new blood in the sport, someone comes along and buys a 25 year old design, spends god knows how much money and dont fit the rules!

I assume though:

C Sport: No Motor Limits, so its just a Length issue
C Stock: Motors and Length Issue.

However, @ 280kg/M your customer will need to be chatting up his nearest lead suppliers!

Class D is out, Could go Cruiser G as Martin McG "Power Products Marine" did in RB08 although I suspect that may (if measured) fallen fowl of the cabin sizes. Also, if the customer wanted to race in G, he'd best be buying Shares in that local Lead suppliers (as its 394KG/M), I can only assume that got glossed over pre RB08 as well.

I have the answer............ Enter Class E, you'll just have to remove a motor

Mind you, atleast Gordon C will get a run for his money.

Lets just hope there isnt anyone else intending on doing Marathon with a twin 3.0L Merc powered P28 ................... oh no, wait a minute

Tony Davis · 13-07-2010, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Foolish

so does it not fit ANY class ?

NO is the immediate answer, although it may be possible to grease a few palms etc!

Renegade · 13-07-2010, 05:31 PM

So if it's 7 inches shorter it can't be a copy then? Lmfao!

measurements are great aren't they.

Jon Fuller · 13-07-2010, 06:14 PM

Who in their right mind would run a 28 footer in C class?

C was meant for bigger stuff.

I would expect to see a 28 in E or D.

Surprised it only measures 26'5" though.

Would have thought length and engine capacity would have been fairly easy to determin before thinking about spending any money on it.

Captain Chaos · 13-07-2010, 06:15 PM

One would assume the answer to that question is : "the people that own them"

Jon Fuller · 13-07-2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Captain Chaos

One would assume the answer to that question is : "the people that own them"

Yes. XR2's and it would be a cheap E boat, cheaper entry, cheaper to run, etc, etc. Crazy. oh well.

We put the engines back in our E class boat today. should run by the weekend.

blind dog · 13-07-2010, 06:18 PM

helpfull,thinking about it a 29 revenger runs in c and thats including the tubes so not a big hull without the tubes .a 28 phantom was a good class 2 boat so i dont see it being so silly in c class

Jon Fuller · 13-07-2010, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blind dog

helpfull

The capacity & length rules haven't changed in ages, it really can only be the fault of whoever didn't read the rules.

Renegade · 13-07-2010, 06:22 PM

All joking aside. This is not the first time I have heard of boats measuring then not, As I understand years ago, the measurements changed from top of transom to the keel, losing the rake of the transom therefore losing inches. But I stand to be corrected.

Jon Fuller · 13-07-2010, 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Renegade

All joking aside. This is not the first time I have heard of boats measuring then not, As I understand years ago, the measurements changed from top of transom to the keel, losing the rake of the transom therefore losing inches. But I stand to be corrected.

Correctamundo.

Still surprised it only measures 26'5" from bow to bottom of transom.

Mind you, the OB version of the 28 had a plant in the mould giving more transom angle, which would exaggerate the issue a bit. (by maybe 3") and those splashes derived from an OB P28 (I think Taz's one)

cfun · 13-07-2010, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

Surprised it only measures 26'5" though.

Shrunk in the splash

What if someone had run a Phantom 28 with 2x300hp in RB08 ( I'm sure their was one entered although it may not have taken part ) would not the grandfather rule then not apply copy or not

Jon Fuller · 13-07-2010, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by cfun

Shrunk in the splash

What if someone had run a Phantom 28 with 2x300hp in RB08 ( I'm sure their was one entered although it may not have taken part ) would not the grandfather rule then not apply copy or not

no, grandfather rights don't apply to all similar boats, only the actual one raced, and as you say, it didn't even do that.

Tony Davis · 13-07-2010, 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller

C was meant for bigger stuff.

7 inches bigger!!!!!

Mike Lloyd · 13-07-2010, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Tony Davis

Who'd have thought it, been working on a 28 Phantom (copy) with a pair of 300 Promax's, plan being to run it in Marathon class C.

Had it measured today, and it's too short, and the motors are too big by 44cc's.

Suggestion:
Depending on how far you have got with the build and that the owner wants to race at Cowes, ask the organisers for a special dispensation to take part with a time penalty in each race of say 5 or 10 mins. Then ask those others taking part in that class if they have a problem with that.

Some will say and maybe rightly "Rules are Rules" but Cowes is special this year. Just a thought.

ML.
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Captain Chaos · 13-07-2010, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OldMan

but Cowes is special this year.