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23-05-2006, 11:22 AM
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Senior Member
Country: England
Location: Warsash
Occupation: Boat Designer
Interests: sport
Boat name: Santana
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time for a new class?
Had a very interesting meeting with an ex. racer recently who is keen to race again but doesn't like current classes. Got us thinking is it time for a new class?
Maybe too many as it is - but there is nothing for inboard boats except V24 and that is not doing that well and is a one design only.
It seems that 'big boat' racing has lost it's way and is out of touch with the world today. It is pretty obscene that class 1 needs 16 litres of power. The world has changed and the class has not. Expense has gone out of the window and look what could be achieved with class two limits!
Class two is also far too expensive for National racing and the class has all but died.
Came up with an idea of a class as follows:
open hull design upto 28' long
minimum length?
single inboard around 400hp, diesel or petrol
longer distance races of around 100nm
weights to limit speeds / expense
cockpits?
Would give a relatively affordable class with potentially relaible packages and good racing. Like anything - very difficult to get of the ground but a 'big boat' class would help the sport in general and make events a lot more attractive. Could also be a class where the V24's could race?
What do people think?
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23-05-2006, 11:26 AM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
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Re: time for a new class?
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Originally posted by Adam
Came up with an idea of a class as follows:
open hull design upto 28' long
minimum length?
single inboard around 400hp, diesel or petrol
longer distance races of around 100nm
weights to limit speeds / expense
cockpits?
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Sounds like Touring Class!
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23-05-2006, 11:59 AM
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Senior Member
Country: England
Location: Warsash
Occupation: Boat Designer
Interests: sport
Boat name: Santana
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yes and no!
boats could be more race orientated hulls, one offs or production, no cabin requirements etc.
at same time I'm sure there could be some boats that fitted into touring class that could fit this idea.
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23-05-2006, 12:03 PM
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Large member
Country: England
Location: On the farm
Occupation: General Trouble Causer Salterns Boatyard
Interests: Official smartass
Boat name: Seahorse.org
Boat make: a V24 and a SLOW unstable ICE Bladerunner
Engines: 2x300 promax, 320 Volvo
Cruising area: England/France & Med
Join Date: May 2005
Location: On the farm
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Could be cool.
It would allow 'tweaking' of the V24's I think they have a load more potential to go faster.
V24's seem to be having a revival in Spain and Portugal. I cant believe the class went from 13 boats to four in 1 year!
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23-05-2006, 01:00 PM
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Registered User
Country: US
Location: Virginia
Interests: Quiet desperation
Boat name: A Little Noisy
Boat make: Excalibur 24
Engines: Express Racing 525
Cruising area: Mobjack Bay (where?)
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Location: Virginia
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Re: Re: time for a new class?
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Originally posted by Jon Fuller
Sounds like Touring Class!
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Damn, beat me to it.
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23-05-2006, 01:04 PM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
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Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
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Quote:
Originally posted by Adam
yes and no!
boats could be more race orientated hulls, one offs or production, no cabin requirements etc.
at same time I'm sure there could be some boats that fitted into touring class that could fit this idea.
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By the time it became 'T' class, there actually wasn't that much in the way of cabin regs, or cube rule etc.
The main difference then would be open hull choice, ie, no requirement for minimum 5 produced etc.
I think mr tricky would have to chainsaw the canopy off the V-24. should really be open boats only to avoid the whole heli cover/safety aspect.
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23-05-2006, 01:21 PM
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Large member
Country: England
Location: On the farm
Occupation: General Trouble Causer Salterns Boatyard
Interests: Official smartass
Boat name: Seahorse.org
Boat make: a V24 and a SLOW unstable ICE Bladerunner
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Quote:
Originally posted by Jon Fuller
I think mr tricky would have to chainsaw the canopy off the V-24. should really be open boats only to avoid the whole heli cover/safety aspect.
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A pox on you Mr Fuller!
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23-05-2006, 01:26 PM
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Registered User
Country: US
Location: Virginia
Interests: Quiet desperation
Boat name: A Little Noisy
Boat make: Excalibur 24
Engines: Express Racing 525
Cruising area: Mobjack Bay (where?)
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Location: Virginia
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The type of class that Adam is proposing seems a good idea to me (as did Touring/Grand Touring at the time.) TD, JF and I spent many hours researching, arguing and finally agreeing rules that were hoped to encourage new blood into the sport and to bring some old boats out of retirement.
It worked for a while and some of the people who started in T/GT still race today albeit in other classes. The problem that T/GT encountered was a lack of participation and commitment after a couple of years. This unfortunately seems to be an all too common occurence.
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23-05-2006, 05:46 PM
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would the sunseeker xs fall into this class too?
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23-05-2006, 05:46 PM
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Registered User
Location: West Coast of Norway
Occupation: naval architect
Interests: surface piercing props, stepped hulls, air entrapment hulls
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Boat make: PetterTintorera
Engines: Yamaha 90
Cruising area: West Coast of Norway
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I really like the concept of not limiting to only mono hulls and not having any limits to hydrodynamic shapes that can be applied.
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23-05-2006, 06:14 PM
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Registered User
Country: Job Centre
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Quote:
Originally posted by Scand
I really like the concept of not limiting to only mono hulls and not having any limits to hydrodynamic shapes that can be applied.
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You gonna stick your dick in the custard then?
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23-05-2006, 06:31 PM
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Registered User
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Occupation: naval architect
Interests: surface piercing props, stepped hulls, air entrapment hulls
Boat name: none
Boat make: PetterTintorera
Engines: Yamaha 90
Cruising area: West Coast of Norway
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Custard?
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