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29-01-2009, 11:33 AM
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Registered User
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Boat name: Apmarine Racing
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Trailer Towing Licence
Just a bit of info
Did everyone know that if you passed your driving test after Jan 1997 you will NOT have a category B+E on your Driving license automatically and you will have to pass a separate trailer test to tow anything legally over 750KGS i.e. Trailer inc boat inc all equipment in the boat!! Also you can only be in control of a combined weight of 3 ton i.e. tow vehicle of 2.25 ton inc equipment max and what ever you’re towing inc trailer max 750KGS. If you don’t have a B+E and have an accident or if someone even hits you and rights off the boat or tow vehicle. You wont get a penny from the insurance and you will get a whole heap of points on your license or even loose your driving licence. Just a word of warning as this happened to someone down are way a few weeks back!!!
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29-01-2009, 11:37 AM
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http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/law/driving_licences.htm
been alot of confusion over this for some years now, i've been pulled twice and both times warned different things
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29-01-2009, 11:48 AM
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Location: Alderholt
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Boat name: T/T D2S
Boat make: Midas 27' Cat, Argo 16 Cat. Avon Rib Thingy
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And you nice new photo Id driving licence is valid for how long................
I nearly got caught out on that
EDIT Here is the link 10 years
So is it the photo only that expires & the licence is valid or not, still con you out of 17 odd quid every ten years
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29-01-2009, 01:01 PM
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: looe
Occupation: Marine engineer
Interests: boating/shooting/water sports
Boat name: Apmarine Racing
Boat make: Phantom 21, Manerfelt 23, Donzi 28zx
Engines: Merc XR2, Merc xs, 2 x 350Mags
Cruising area: plymouth/looe/fowey
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: looe
Posts: 253
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearny
Just a bit of info
Did everyone know that if you passed your driving test after Jan 1997 you will NOT have a category B+E on your Driving license automatically and you will have to pass a separate trailer test to tow anything legally over 750KGS i.e. Trailer inc boat inc all equipment in the boat!! Also you can only be in control of a combined weight of 3 ton i.e. tow vehicle of 2.25 ton inc equipment max and what ever you’re towing inc trailer max 750KGS. If you don’t have a B+E and have an accident or if someone even hits you and rights off the boat or tow vehicle. You wont get a penny from the insurance and you will get a whole heap of points on your license or even loose your driving licence. Just a word of warning as this happened to someone down are way a few weeks back!!!
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http://www.trssl.co.uk/trailer-towing.htm
http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring...DG_4022521:up:
http://www.ntta.co.uk/law/law/identification_plates.htm
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29-01-2009, 04:46 PM
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Registered User
Country: united Kingdom
Location: kent
Occupation: Broker
Interests: Powerboat Racing and F1
Boat name: Fugazi II
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BluFin
And you nice new photo Id driving licence is valid for how long................
I nearly got caught out on that
EDIT Here is the link 10 years
So is it the photo only that expires & the licence is valid or not, still con you out of 17 odd quid every ten years
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Glad thats not the same with train passes I still have my train pass with the picture that was taken 23 years ago and i don't look a day older - Splitpin - you keep quiet !!!!
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29-01-2009, 06:03 PM
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Registered User
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towing
and another thing to check,
if you have insurance on a car and you hop into your mates pickup to move your boat you may not be covered, because pickup's are classified as commercial vehicles they are not always covered by a private use policy! (check the small print, if it states that you are entitled to drive with permission another persons "vehicle" or if it states"car")
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29-01-2009, 06:10 PM
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: looe
Occupation: Marine engineer
Interests: boating/shooting/water sports
Boat name: Apmarine Racing
Boat make: Phantom 21, Manerfelt 23, Donzi 28zx
Engines: Merc XR2, Merc xs, 2 x 350Mags
Cruising area: plymouth/looe/fowey
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: looe
Posts: 253
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy B
and another thing to check,
if you have insurance on a car and you hop into your mates pickup to move your boat you may not be covered, because pickup's are classified as commercial vehicles they are not always covered by a private use policy! (check the small print, if it states that you are entitled to drive with permission another persons "vehicle" or if it states"car")
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ye good point also some car polices insure you for towing a boat/trailer if you hit someone but its only 3rd party ie they wont pay out for any damage to the boat or trailer!!!
some polices your not even insured to tow!!!!!!
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29-01-2009, 06:40 PM
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Registered User
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you have only got to check out some of the insurance web sites.
when they say policy tailored to your needs they should say "we will let you drive the car for a couple of mile but everything eles is going to cost you extra!"
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29-01-2009, 06:42 PM
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: looe
Occupation: Marine engineer
Interests: boating/shooting/water sports
Boat name: Apmarine Racing
Boat make: Phantom 21, Manerfelt 23, Donzi 28zx
Engines: Merc XR2, Merc xs, 2 x 350Mags
Cruising area: plymouth/looe/fowey
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: looe
Posts: 253
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy B
you have only got to check out some of the insurance web sites.
when they say policy tailored to your needs they should say "we will let you drive the car for a couple of mile but everything eles is going to cost you extra!"
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Robbing Bastards!!!!!! Ow and then when something happens they say Sorry check the small print lol
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29-01-2009, 06:59 PM
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Registered User
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going back to the origin of this thread,
how do you get a licence to tow?
i just typed in trailer and towing on the BSM website and they both came back with no matches found!!!!
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29-01-2009, 07:10 PM
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Registered User
Country: England
Location: Crayford, Kent.
Occupation: Electrical gezza!
Interests: Petrolhead
Boat name: Wayne Kerr
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Cruising area: Essex, Hampshire, Mediterranean
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Location: Crayford, Kent.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy B
they both came back with no matches found!!!!
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Are you an arsonist?
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29-01-2009, 07:13 PM
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Registered User
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theres loads of local companies that wll do it, most are teach you with a box trailer or caravan in a 4x4. i warn u though, not cheap.
on the pick up side, watch out as not all are classed as commerical,
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29-01-2009, 09:09 PM
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: looe
Occupation: Marine engineer
Interests: boating/shooting/water sports
Boat name: Apmarine Racing
Boat make: Phantom 21, Manerfelt 23, Donzi 28zx
Engines: Merc XR2, Merc xs, 2 x 350Mags
Cruising area: plymouth/looe/fowey
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: looe
Posts: 253
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Andy B
going back to the origin of this thread,
how do you get a licence to tow?
i just typed in trailer and towing on the BSM website and they both came back with no matches found!!!!
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Just put in B+E licnece and where you are and it will come up BSM dont do it!!! just to warn you it ant cheap!! cost me a £1000 to do it with a two day lesson inc test! only got one miner tho so ant to bad lol and that price was in my own truck too! Driving in the test is easy but the hooking up and un hooking MUST be done in a surtin way otherwise its a fail!!!!!
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29-01-2009, 09:20 PM
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Registered User
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dose this mean that the hours of fun to be had watching peoples c ck ups at the slipway will become a thing of the past?
nothing like the screem of "NO LEFT HAND DOWN YOU STUPID B**CH"
to finish of a great day out
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29-01-2009, 11:41 PM
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Registered User
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[QUOTE=Pearny;148505]Just put in B+E licnece and where you are and it will come up BSM dont do it!!! just to warn you it ant cheap!!
yah thanks but no thanks...
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30-01-2009, 01:13 AM
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Country: England
Location: Birmingham
Occupation: Scratching
Interests: Big Dinners
Boat name: Never Enough
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without B+E you can tow upto 750kg unbraked. You can tow a trailer over 750kg as long as the MAM of your trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of your towing vehicle and the combination of the 2 does not exceed 3500kg
The unladen weight of my freelander is 1450kg so I have changed the capacity plate on my trailer to 1400kg.
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30-01-2009, 08:50 AM
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Registered User
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Occupation: Designin' Stuff
Interests: Boating/4x4s/Fast Cars
Boat name: Namotu
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrRob
without B+E you can tow upto 750kg unbraked. You can tow a trailer over 750kg as long as the MAM of your trailer does not exceed the unladen weight of your towing vehicle and the combination of the 2 does not exceed 3500kg
The unladen weight of my freelander is 1450kg so I have changed the capacity plate on my trailer to 1400kg.
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Thats an awsome idea!
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30-01-2009, 10:09 AM
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Registered User
Country: England
Location: Birmingham
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I have spoke to my mates husband who is a traffic copper and he said that he doesnt know if changing the rated capacity of your trailer is legal or not. But he did say that no copper would ever know the difference between the original and the one you have done yourself and as long as the gross weight of your trailer is below the MAM of your trailer I dont think they would really care.
The problem with insurance companys, those of you who have ever written a car off will know, is they will do EVERYTHING they can to wriggle and worm themselves out of paying out.
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30-01-2009, 10:15 AM
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30-01-2009, 10:31 AM
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Country: SOUTH WEST UK
Location: WESTON SUPER MARE
Occupation: MERCEDES SALESMAN
Interests: POWER BOAT RACING
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pearny
ye good point also some car polices insure you for towing a boat/trailer if you hit someone but its only 3rd party ie they wont pay out for any damage to the boat or trailer!!!
some polices your not even insured to tow!!!!!!
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Just another point to know about if you are using a Van/Pickup taxation class 'Light Goods Vehicle' if the GVW ie VAN/LOAD/TRAILER/BOAT exceeds 3.5t GVW then you have to run with a Tacho,this only applies if its being used commercially ie;Hire or Reward,aparently Private use this does not apply.The Police have been targeting the Tow vehicles leaving the Car Auctions.Just pointing this out for people in the Boat trade as in most cases it would be private use or your doing the job free of charge.Cheers
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