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Old 26-04-2013, 08:08 AM   #221
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Old 26-04-2013, 08:42 PM   #222
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Could someone please explain the how a hot start differs from a race start.
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Old 26-04-2013, 10:01 PM   #223
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Old 26-04-2013, 10:48 PM   #224
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Could someone please explain the how a hot start differs from a race start.
Here's the subtle difference between 1972 and now.

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Old 27-04-2013, 12:47 AM   #225
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Ah, I think I understand. If a barrier is involved the race start should be on one side of it and the hot start on the other.

I wish I had known that when I was organising the Spithead and Gosport races in the 90s. I stupidly had the race start on the western side of the submarine barrier when I should have had the race start east of the barrier with the fleet going through the Dolphin Passage with the hot start on the western side.

Aside from that, the Thames Barrier has been raced through since its construction. I realise that is no longer permitted but I'm still none the wiser how a race start differs from a hot start. Is what is being called the race start the beginning of a rather long parade under the control of the start boat to where the timing will begin (the hot start)?
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Is what is being called the race start the beginning of a rather long parade under the control of the start boat to where the timing will begin (the hot start)?
That is my understanding, we just need some details now, I would be surprised if anyone thought we would have open racing from Tower Bridge.
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I imagine its the same principal used from cowes to hurst for the ctc.
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The thinking is about getting PLA back on board with allowing powerboat racing on the Thames at all. London is what was always envisaged back in ML's time and he got a knock back, fair play to the team getting it through.

My understanding is the spectacle of race powerboats through Tower Bridge will be achieved but the fleet will be controlled to ensure they don't fall foul of the numerous navigational restraints they are under. That control is key to securing the future.

Once past Margaretness those restraints reduce somewhat but you are left with a fairly indescript area to release the fleet with next to no visibility for the public and still some major obstacles in the way such as new superports and tanker terminals.

Southend Council have stepped in here as it coincides with them removing the airshow from their agenda and want to promote a water festival to take it's place. So the release of the fleet to their own devices is planned from the pierhead creating yet another spectacle.

The plans for the Southend festival are evolving but I can say from my chat with the organiser and councillor responsible they are talking about in the coming years this festival being up there with their airshow and the possibility of Marathon becoming a centre piece of a very large event.

So it's about turning the constraints into benefits, something I think the team are doing very well.

Event village in Canary Wharf, Powerboats through the centre of the capital city and a powerboat start within reach of the public without the use of telephoto lenses supported by all other varieties of waterbourne users. And that's just the start. Yacht Club de Monaco coming on board for next year.

Hard to critise really.
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Hard to critise really.
Agreed. Thanks very much for the explanation and insight.
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I imagine its the same principal used from cowes to hurst for the ctc.
That's what I had been thinking.
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The thinking is about getting PLA back on board with allowing powerboat racing on the Thames at all. London is what was always envisaged back in ML's time and he got a knock back, .
Breaking my own rules I have to respond to this point. It was NEVER EVER my intention to use the Thames as the start of the Cowes to Monte-Carlo race. So I don't know where you got that idea from.

From discussions with some of the racers in those far off days of 1972 it was apparent that they lost several boats by the time they got to Cowes from London. Out of a fleet of 22 that was serious stuff and the flotsam in the Thames contributed to that as it did in many of the Putney/Calais races which some might remember.

I wanted a spectacular start from Cowes down the Solent one that thousands of spectators - both on and off the water - could enjoy as they did during the RB08 start which ran right through the Solent from Portsmouth to Hurst. It would mean that more boats might survive the whole race rather than lose so many at the start as they did in 1972. However, that's all history now and you guys have to do what you have to do.
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Apologies Mike I may have wrongly assumed you were one amongst the band of people chasing PLA to allow racing back up the Thames. I shall blame the gin.

Anyway Thames it is which just as well, <pulls pin> cause us east coasters were beginning to think the southern woofters didn't like us any more.
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Breaking my own rules I have to respond to this point. It was NEVER EVER my intention to use the Thames as the start of the Cowes to Monte-Carlo race. So I don't know where you got that idea from.

From discussions with some of the racers in those far off days of 1972 it was apparent that they lost several boats by the time they got to Cowes from London. Out of a fleet of 22 that was serious stuff and the flotsam in the Thames contributed to that as it did in many of the Putney/Calais races which some might remember.

I wanted a spectacular start from Cowes down the Solent one that thousands of spectators - both on and off the water - could enjoy as they did during the RB08 start which ran right through the Solent from Portsmouth to Hurst. It would mean that more boats might survive the whole race rather than lose so many at the start as they did in 1972. However, that's all history now and you guys have to do what you have to do.
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Confusing.

I think many believed the authorities were not prepared to let the start happen in London.

Different ball game now.

By the way cookee great pictures of safe smoking not sure the pictures told the story they were supposed to.

Constructed critisism only from me now.

First one is drop the venture cup theme. Its the LONDON to MONTE-CARLO
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By the way Cookee great pictures of safe smoking not sure the pictures told the story they were supposed to.

Constructed criticism only from me now.
We just turned up an were photographed so as far as I'm concerned it's a double win for my sponsors!
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A huge thanks again to all who helped / came along / supported us last Tuesday ....including whoever was responsible for the awesome weather.

It's quite right to say that historically there've been issues on the Thames with flotsam, jetsam and general floating dangers. It's not quite so much of an issue these days due to the measures introduced over the past few decades. In addition we're running close to low-tide which, the PLA inform us, tends to see the worst of the junk sit on the banks making it the safest time to run. Nothing's guaranteed though - Buzzi and Hendricks showed in RB08 that you don't need to be running down the Thames to get into difficulties - but we all felt that the positives more than outweighed the negatives.

With regard to the name, it's going to be staying as the Venture Cup. Going with something that just uses the start and finish points causes difficulties when you're looking at something that runs every few years (eg: how would you link this year's event to next year's?).
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A huge thanks again to all who helped / came along / supported us last Tuesday ....including whoever was responsible for the awesome weather.

It's quite right to say that historically there've been issues on the Thames with flotsam, jetsam and general floating dangers. It's not quite so much of an issue these days due to the measures introduced over the past few decades. In addition we're running close to low-tide which, the PLA inform us, tends to see the worst of the junk sit on the banks making it the safest time to run. Nothing's guaranteed though - Buzzi and Hendricks showed in RB08 that you don't need to be running down the Thames to get into difficulties - but we all felt that the positives more than outweighed the negatives.

With regard to the name, it's going to be staying as the Venture Cup. Going with something that just uses the start and finish points causes difficulties when you're looking at something that runs every few years (eg: how would you link this year's event to next year's?).
The Weather was down to me

On Blade run 20 odd boats ran down the river in 2006 without a problem.

Constructive comments must be usefull to you guys so that this race/adventure will be the best. In my opnion this years race is nothing like next years as next years race will probably never happen again for another 38years.
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Well then a massive thank you ....you might advise on where to send the cheque to

All comments, constructive or otherwise, are more than welcome. This year is indeed only a small % of what next year will be, but we should get some benefit that we can bank for next year's BIG one. That's why it's useful to have a connection to both ....just as it will be after next year when we plan for the next BIG one
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london to monte and just add the date,i personally dont like venture cup
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