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13-11-2009, 01:03 PM
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Very big nail in the coffin
Hi All
I do want to be the bearer of bad news but before you guys start giving large deposits to enter any Round Britain races I suggest you have a look at the link below.
http://www.defra.gov.uk/environment/...tion/index.htm
Once you have read it I think you will agree Powerboat Racing in the UK days are numbered.
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13-11-2009, 01:24 PM
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think you missed out the word "not". or maybe not
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13-11-2009, 01:34 PM
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Sorry I meant to say "I do NOT want to be the bearer of ... ".
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13-11-2009, 01:36 PM
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By 2012 an estimated 20 per cent of our seas will be protected by a range of zones.
It is not going to help that is for sure !
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13-11-2009, 01:36 PM
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blind dog
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it will take more than that to stop us
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13-11-2009, 01:43 PM
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And November the 13th
Motor Racing is part of British culture. We need to work together with these agencies. I would of said 20 large cruisers running big diesels would give off more pollution than 20 highly tuned race boats.
Then again lets just ban all oil burners.
So there will be exclusion areas that all adds up to the fun of navigation
What we don't want is smart 's making stupid comments at drivers briefings.
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13-11-2009, 01:53 PM
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As the RYA Commissioner for the RB08 I will tell you that there was a lot of Environmental issues that we had to adhere to including having a specialist Environmentalist lady on board the Start Boat at Inverness - and this was before the passing of this new Marine Act. I know that once you start giving delegated powers in Law to these people there will be no stopping.
The Daily Telegraph has a map of all the areas which are Zoned for immediate Protection. It does not make for good reading.
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13-11-2009, 02:14 PM
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topgun
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Originally Posted by blind dog
it will take more than that to stop us
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There will just have to be a Marine version of the cannonball run
Chaos would do really well in that
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13-11-2009, 04:43 PM
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The RB11 race will be treating all environmental issues as a top priority. At the end of the day we need to look after the environment for us all to be using in the future.
RB08 took place with some exclusion zones...this actually made the race more challenging for the teams, if these are enlarged or grow in number... so what.... we can plan our race around it knowing the marine 'zones' are safe.
We have 18 months to arrange this race & understand the requirements of all, ensuring that the race takes place and takes place responsibily
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13-11-2009, 04:54 PM
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I actually don't see the problem, in fact I can see where they are coming from.
Read the article in The Telegraph >>
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/wil...published.html
Interesting point from the article:
"If all 73 areas were implemented, this would increase the percentage of UK seas that were fully protected from 0.005 per cent to just 0.13 per cent."
If all 73 areas were to be brought in, and bearing in mind we are likely to have a change of government to hinder the process, future RB events would just need more exclusion zones to race round.
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13-11-2009, 04:59 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Goinglean
The RB11 race will be treating all environmental issues as a top priority. At the end of the day we need to look after the environment for us all to be using in the future.
RB08 took place with some exclusion zones...this actually made the race more challenging for the teams, if these are enlarged or grow in number... so what.... we can plan our race around it knowing the marine 'zones' are safe.
We have 18 months to arrange this race & understand the requirements of all, ensuring that the race takes place and takes place responsibily
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our noble leader
After all it can get boring being the navigator on this race
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13-11-2009, 05:58 PM
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[QUOTE=Goinglean;171279]The RB11 race will be treating all environmental issues as a top priority. At the end of the day we need to look after the environment for us all to be using in the future.
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Very important and actually an area that can be very interesting.
I think a lot more needs to be done to encourage efficient and lower emission boating across the board. Racing as such can be an area that actually leads the way in certain areas of boating development.
Offshore racing has always lead to developments in leisure and commercial craft - and this needs to be relevant to the times we live in. Priorites now of course include protection of marine habitats, lower carbon useage etc.
In many ways the engines manufacturers have made major leaps forward in terms of emissions. I think some of the rules / trophies now need to encourage more efficiency - be it through lighter weights, lower horsepower classes, classes that will lead to more efficient leisure boats etc.
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13-11-2009, 07:09 PM
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numbskull
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Goinglean
The RB11 race will be treating all environmental issues as a top priority. At the end of the day we need to look after the environment for us all to be using in the future.
RB08 took place with some exclusion zones...this actually made the race more challenging for the teams, if these are enlarged or grow in number... so what.... we can plan our race around it knowing the marine 'zones' are safe.
We have 18 months to arrange this race & understand the requirements of all, ensuring that the race takes place and takes place responsibily
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Very positive
Good post
We will work with this I'm sure. As you say, embrace the problem, use to our advantage where we can.
Dean, I know it's early days, but has there been any suggestions for OOD yet?
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13-11-2009, 08:44 PM
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Had the first planning meeting for the race today
OOD was on the list along with loads of others, will start posting more 'stuff' once they have become a lot clearer.
25 Entries to date on -www.roundbritainrace.co.uk
Defending Champs are back
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13-11-2009, 09:06 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
but has there been any suggestions for OOD yet?
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13-11-2009, 09:11 PM
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numbskull
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hunton69
Then again lets just ban all oil burners.
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Well you know the saying,..."If you can't beat em, ban em".
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14-11-2009, 08:54 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
Well you know the saying,..."If you can't beat em, ban em".
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......and when you have designed and built a boat to fit the class rules and it works.... then ban that too !!
Mike
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14-11-2009, 08:58 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Goinglean
Had the first planning meeting for the race today
OOD was on the list along with loads of others, will start posting more 'stuff' once they have become a lot clearer.
25 Entries to date on -www.roundbritainrace.co.uk
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thats an impressive list already
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14-11-2009, 02:10 PM
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numbskull
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mike Ring
......and when you have designed and built a boat to fit the class rules and it works.... then ban that too !!
Mike
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The voice of experience.
I reckon there was more than one voice calling for the ban on the R26 back in 88/89 as it 'wasn't in the spirit'.
You old cheat!
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14-11-2009, 02:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
The voice of experience.
I reckon there was more than one voice calling for the ban on the R26 back in 88/89 as it 'wasn't in the spirit'.
You old cheat!
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My 'Spirit' at the time was distilled from grapes......
Way back before the R 26 I had stepped hulls in production in the Seventies and also racing and winning in Class 1V. Everyhing was fine untill it took a class record at Windermere and then they wanted to ban that design as it was 'unfair'
You lot had better go through the rule book again , there has to be a loophole or an angle somewhere ! If I take an interest in something it will become an obsession .
Hmmmm, that Marathon class looks intrigueing !
This is what we boat builder/designer chappies are supposed to do...Push the Envelope ! Dont blame us if we come up with a new idea that succeeds in better performance
Before I was into boats I was invoved in a small way with the development of sports racing cars.. Before you draw the first line, make the first cut , read the RAC rulebook thoroughly and apply mind inventively. I owe a lot to an ex Lotus designer that I worked with in the sixties.
Mike
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