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14-02-2005, 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by TheMutzNuts
where i can get a bow tank pick up that doesnt go through the transom ,like yours burty.just like to say ive seen burtys phantom it is in exclent condition and what a awsome peice of kit!
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Cheers dude, my pick up was already fitted when i bought it.
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I think what he's saying is, if you use a thru-hull type, as it's bellow the waterline, if the hose, or clip fail in some way, it'll sink!
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Yes but the drain is below the water line and more to the point also below the floor. you are only trusting a jubilee clip for that one too.
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14-02-2005, 03:50 PM
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is the 280 the same block as the 225 promax could you change the 260 electronics onto this and have your self a 2.5 efi 280 (effectivly)
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14-02-2005, 03:58 PM
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is the 280 the same block as the 225 promax could you change the 260 electronics onto this and have your self a 2.5 efi 280 (effectivly)
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Errrr. Nope
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14-02-2005, 04:02 PM
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Yes but the drain is below the water line and more to the point also below the floor. you are only trusting a jubilee clip for that one too.
........i suppose if you had the choice again what would you do? burty
how do you do the quote
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14-02-2005, 04:10 PM
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Yes but the drain is below the water line and more to the point also below the floor. you are only trusting a jubilee clip for that one too.
........i suppose if you had the choice again what would you do? burty
how do you do the quote
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click the quote button at the bottom of the post you want to quote from.
I would have a through hull type pick up becase its alot neater and you don't have extra holes and pipes in your engine well.
as far as i know all bow tank drains are below the water line and i dont know of any problems with it in fact i dont know of any other way of doing it unless you rigged up some kind of pump. if you are really worried about it put 2 jubilee clips on
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14-02-2005, 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by Burty
as far as i know all bow tank drains are below the water line and i dont know of any problems with it in fact i dont know of any other way of doing it unless you rigged up some kind of pump. if you are really worried about it put 2 jubilee clips on
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Burty, you're missing the point!
Whilst it's a bit hyperthetical, the point is, the pick up is under a certain amount of pressure when filling, this 'could' lead to the pipe/clips failing, admitedly, it's unlikely, but it could, the drain on the other hand, never has any pressure in it.
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14-02-2005, 06:01 PM
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cheers again jonny ,
cyco,i dont really want a 260 do you no any one with a 280 ,the 260 is a bit old
cheers
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14-02-2005, 06:03 PM
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HOW MUCH YOU GOT TO SPEND BEFORE A START ASKING WHO'S GOT WHAT.
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14-02-2005, 06:38 PM
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we will be looking for as later model as possible ,mabey you can give me an approximate price of a 280 2000 2001 2002 2003 or 2004 model with low hours and not raced
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14-02-2005, 06:51 PM
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I think they do 2 versions of the 280, a race motor and a fishing motor, think they develop the same power but at different rpm's
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14-02-2005, 07:09 PM
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its not so much a fishing motor its just the standard 2.5 280 hp
the race motor has heavy duty upper end cap berings and crank shaft with light weight connecting rods and pistons,solid engine mounts,heavy duty propshaft and internal components and light weight top bottem cowls heavy duty trim system also it doesnt come with a warranty
2.5 efi rpm=7500
2.5 efi race rpm=8000
I have the light weight carbon fiber cowl on my promax hents it says 2.5 on it not 225 promax
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14-02-2005, 07:38 PM
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If you havent sorted out the dump yet just get a salmon all in one fill and dump type. If it leaks, which it shouldnt, just use your bildge pump. Wont be under as much pressure as you think because the hole in the pickup is smaller than the diameter of the tube that goes through the transom and thus the hose. You can then use normal fill on the top of the tank as a second vent.
260 has higher ports than the 280 but more meat in the exhuast chest. Its easier to work the exhuast chest than raise the ports so that makes the 260 more easily tunable unless you loads of money. 280 electronics limit you as they cant be remapped very easily and the coils dont recharge quick enought to allow over much 8500rpm.
Both 280 powerheads are the same mechanically its just the revilimiter thats different.
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14-02-2005, 07:43 PM
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have you got a link or no how much and where to get the salmon all in one fill and dump for the bow tank
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14-02-2005, 07:48 PM
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Ask Jonny he bought one recently. They do a cheap one and an expensive one. I have the cheap one and I think Captain Chaos does too. I guess Tony Davis got Chaos's for him so you could ask him too, mine came on the boat.
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14-02-2005, 07:49 PM
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cheers,do you have a picture of what it looks like?
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14-02-2005, 07:55 PM
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nope, sorry. looks very neat though. If you didnt look for it you could almost miss it!!!
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14-02-2005, 07:56 PM
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sounds good,does the fill/dum pipe go through the transom or over?
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14-02-2005, 08:04 PM
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Through, its basically like a through hull pickup but it has a third position to allow it to dump too. That also means you have only one cable and can use a single standard control lever. Its your cheapest, neatest and easiest option if you can only overcome your fear of the jubilee clip failing. Just go OTT with clips and sealent when installing it
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14-02-2005, 08:07 PM
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I have the link to their website on my machine at home but I'm at work till midnight. I will post it later unless someone beats me to it!!!
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14-02-2005, 08:07 PM
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cheers for the help
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