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Old 21-09-2008, 05:10 PM   #1
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Hydraulic Steering

If anyone has a complete set up drop me a pm with price. Needs to suits at least Merc 280hp or more prefere the whole things as in ram res etc etc.
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Old 21-09-2008, 10:09 PM   #2
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hydraulic steering systems for race boats

Hi,
Hard to find in their catalog, may be interesting for some of you.
They are interested by race appplication, just mail them.

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Old 21-09-2008, 10:21 PM   #3
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I really would advise staying away from L&S steering, it really is cheap and nasty!!!
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Old 22-09-2008, 12:27 AM   #4
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LS steering applications.

There are different levels and prices for LS steering applications.
Pleasure applications:
for maxi 75 HP/115HP/150HP/175HP/200HP/300HP
A lot of boats use the new model without problem everyday. They are on the market for years and if they are bad as you state, why they still exist?
Have you seen the LS race steering yet?
How can you juge if the race procuct is bad?
You are soilling a brand speaking like this...
Hope you made a confusions with sizes applications, some people use sometimes le 150HP model on their 200HP, sure that's not safe, but not legal too, and not the advise of the manufacturer.

The race application with 2 cylinders is not so cheap at 1800 euros.
May be there is a confusion somewhere, if you are looking a 75HP applications, for sure don't compare this model for little engine with sea starpro (300HP and speed above 60mph).
Anyway, Laurent Plasse works with LS for the race application, and If my memory is good, he is in offshore racing for more than 15years, was also world champion 2005.
Have a look on the new 300 Hp front model, for me that's not so nasty and the sale price is correct too.
AS a boat buider you have to have an idea of what is good the the race outboard application, so what do you suggest with 2 cylinders at a decent price? Latham, Imco, Marine machine?
2 months ago, a friend of me just bought latham cylinders for a DON ARRONOW 27, because the rods was rusty on the two old ones , and as surely you know the price was also amazingly high.
I'm also sure that a lot of boatmember here don't have a big wallet, and sometimes it's interesting to know that other people make steering system rated at 300HP. But I'm not telling that's LS is the best of everything...

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L.S Hydraulic Steering Systems
Our hydraulic steering systems for outboard motors are perfectly adapted to the requirements of
different applications, i.e. pleasure boating, workboats, professional or amateur fishing,
competition and its accompaniment.
They are easy to install, state of the art machine finished and made to resist a marine
environment.
You can easily select the best suited system for your boat within the most comprehensive range
available on the market with a guarantee of efficiency, reliability and smoothness.
Our systems carry a 2 year warranty and are CE approved.
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Old 22-09-2008, 07:58 AM   #5
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[QUOTE=Frenchbruno;141428]
A lot of boats use the new model without problem everyday. They are on the market for years and if they are bad as you state, why they still exist?
[QUOTE]
I've often asked myself the same question.

[QUOTE=Frenchbruno;141428]
Have you seen the LS race steering yet?
[QUOTE]

Yes
[QUOTE=Frenchbruno;141428]
How can you juge if the race procuct is bad?
[QUOTE]
You only have to look at it to see that the quality is poor
[QUOTE=Frenchbruno;141428]

The race application with 2 cylinders is not so cheap at 1800 euros.
May be there is a confusion somewhere,
[QUOTE]
No, I'm not confused, 1500 pounds is far too expensive for a budget system

[QUOTE=Frenchbruno;141428]

Anyway, Laurent Plasse works with LS for the race application, and If my memory is good, he is in offshore racing for more than 15years, was also world champion 2005.

[QUOTE]

Never heard of him, but I suspect he would be happy to use a proper system if it was also free
[QUOTE=Frenchbruno;141428]

AS a boat buider you have to have an idea of what is good the the race outboard application, so what do you suggest with 2 cylinders at a decent price? Latham, Imco, Marine machine?
[QUOTE]

Any of those would be fine, although in a single ram application. I pprefer Imco, as it's better value, for what is really an identical product to the other two.

[QUOTE=Frenchbruno;141428]

2 months ago, a friend of me just bought latham cylinders for a DON ARRONOW 27, because the rods was rusty on the two old ones , and as surely you know the price was also amazingly high.
[QUOTE]

Quality doesn't come cheap

[QUOTE=Frenchbruno;141428]

I'm also sure that a lot of boatmember here don't have a big wallet,
[QUOTE]

I'm sure that the majority don't, but there are somethings that you shouldn't compromise on
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Having known two people who suffered steering failure at high speed, both got wet and injured, I'm with TD on this one. If there was one part on my boat i wouldn't skimp on, this would be it.
Short of your engine falling off or hitting something, i'm not sure anything could be worse than steering failure!

Agreed, some of us don't have a big wallet, mine is probably smaller than most, which is why we have a trading post here, so the financially challenged of us can buy quality 2nd hand parts from other (better off) members!

I know i'd take TD's advice on steering over pretty much anyone else's any day, he's been in the business long enough!
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as hoped the entries for the worlds are growing,also dont forget there is a treasure hunt on the lay day to the island of sark for all ribs and mark boats so it will be a action and fun packed week. Everyone is welcome.It would be a good cruise for all rb08 boats to come across to guernsey Also look at the french site www.offshorepassion.com they seem to have a good series going there.
Laurent Plasse in the the boss of offshore passion, a racer too.
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Could be LS 'lecomble schmitt' Small black rams either side of the engine attached to the through tube and onto a probably stainless bracket bolted to the mid section. SEM is a sweedish manufactuer who use's the same rams and makes up all the attaching bits. They can use various hoses most merc hoses depends wots on the rams hyphose should be able or if you get stuck can help out just need some more info.
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Old 22-09-2008, 11:18 AM   #8
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A lot of boats use the new model without problem everyday. They are on the market for years and if they are bad as you state, why they still exist?
I've often asked myself the same question.

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Have you seen the LS race steering yet?
Yes

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How can you juge if the race procuct is bad?
You only have to look at it to see that the quality is poor

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The race application with 2 cylinders is not so cheap at 1800 euros.
May be there is a confusion somewhere,
No, I'm not confused, 1500 pounds is far too expensive for a budget system

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Anyway, Laurent Plasse works with LS for the race application, and If my memory is good, he is in offshore racing for more than 15years, was also world champion 2005.
Never heard of him, but I suspect he would be happy to use a proper system if it was also free

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AS a boat buider you have to have an idea of what is good the the race outboard application, so what do you suggest with 2 cylinders at a decent price? Latham, Imco, Marine machine?
Any of those would be fine, although in a single ram application. I pprefer Imco, as it's better value, for what is really an identical product to the other two.

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2 months ago, a friend of me just bought latham cylinders for a DON ARRONOW 27, because the rods was rusty on the two old ones , and as surely you know the price was also amazingly high.
Quality doesn't come cheap

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I'm also sure that a lot of boatmember here don't have a big wallet,
I'm sure that the majority don't, but there are somethings that you shouldn't compromise on

Feck' me yer 'ard work..
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Yeh I know, my wife is constantly telling me that. I dunno wot went wrong with the " " thingies, they normally work ok for me!!!!!!
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If anyone has a complete set up drop me a pm with price. Needs to suits at least Merc 280hp or more prefere the whole things as in ram res etc etc.
Cheers
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Off the top of me head, and I'd have to check me paperwork when I get in tonight, I reckon a complete set of Imco external steering, comprising of ram, wing plate, tilt pin, capilano helm, hoses, remote fill, hose ends etc is around £1500 landed, plus vat!

I haven't bought any for a few months, so I'll have to check.

Sea Star is quite a bit cheaper, but you have to rely on that little nut and bolt not failing!!!!!
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Off the top of me head, and I'd have to check me paperwork when I get in tonight, I reckon a complete set of Imco external steering, comprising of ram, wing plate, tilt pin, capilano helm, hoses, remote fill, hose ends etc is around £1500 landed, plus vat!

I haven't bought any for a few months, so I'll have to check.

Sea Star is quite a bit cheaper, but you have to rely on that little nut and bolt not failing!!!!!
Is this a common problem ?
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Is this a common problem ?

Dunno, but it scares me!

I'd certainly use the high strength tiller bolt, kit part # HA5822.
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there a huge thread on scream and fly about bolt failures on the seastar and when it happens your boat becomes an instant hat
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Dunno, but it scares me!

I'd certainly use the high strength tiller bolt, kit part # HA5822.
Have you got these in stock Tony?
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Has happened to me twice
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Have you got these in stock Tony?
I'm not sure, I think Burty and JBD cleared me out last time they were down, but I'll have a look.

The mercury bolt, part no:10-875273150 is a 1.5'' long bolt, retails for 21.59 + vat. I normally stock the Seastar one, it's a bit cheaper.
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I'm not sure, I think Burty and JBD cleared me out last time they were down, but I'll have a look.

The mercury bolt, part no:10-875273150 is a 1.5'' long bolt, retails for 21.59 + vat. I normally stock the Seastar one, it's a bit cheaper.
i'm pretty sure you couldn't find them mate and you were going to order some for JBD i thought he had PM'ed you about it
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i'm pretty sure you couldn't find them mate and you were going to order some for JBD i thought he had PM'ed you about it
I remember him getting all excited coz the one (s) i gave him had ARP on the head.
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perhaps he only got 1 then but wanted 2.
I can't remeber for sure cus it was ages ago
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I had one chris had the other!!! Also I sent you dozens of PM's (two (not two dozen just two)) about some other bits that I've since forgotten about. Have a look in yer inbox. Maybe my name change confused you
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