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Dean21 · 01-05-2005, 06:21 PM

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Originally posted by Johnny Boat Dude
Yeah true!!! When we (me and Cye) stripped everything out of my 87 and all the wood looked lovely. But I supose you cant really do that when you go to view a boat though can ya

To me the Martini graphics kinda say 86/87/88 dont ya think?

SPOT ON!!! its an 86!!! the information from this site stoped me buying a 20 year old boat! explained to the bloke that it was infact a 86 not a 96 and he still thinks its worth the same??? another one to add the the ever growing list of disapointment

JamesM · 01-05-2005, 09:24 PM

I wouldnt be put of by age, pretty much all of the P20's I've ever seen have been between 86 and 93, most being late 80's boats.

Dean21 · 01-05-2005, 09:44 PM

To be honest it was more the fact that he wouldnt move on the price even when it was said that the boat was 10 year older than he had advertised ( which he has now changed) he still wanted the same money for it the guy didnt have a clue about boats god knows why he has a p20 with a v6 on it!

Burty · 01-05-2005, 11:52 PM

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Originally posted by Johnny Boat Dude
I wouldnt be put of by age, pretty much all of the P20's I've ever seen have been between 86 and 93, most being late 80's boats.

I agree, why be put off by age. the P20's have never changed weather being a 1985 or a 2000 fibreglass doesn't rust so surely condition is 5the uppermost priority. who cares how old it is as long as the hull is sound. without looking at the ID no. no one on this site could tell you how old or new it was.

My boat is an 87 but it doesnt stop me putting it through its paces, wouldnt make any difference weather it was moulded in 87 or 97 it would still be the same hull...

darexms · 02-05-2005, 09:30 AM

I agree the condition of the fibreglass is more important than the age, but to be honest my first concern on any boat would be the engine rather than the hull.

Jon Fuller · 02-05-2005, 09:55 AM

I wouldn't.
You can buy new bits for your motah, but if the boats fecked, or shabby, chances are it'll stay that way.

Burty, I agree to a point, but when timber is used as the main structural reinforcement, age has to have an effect on the condition, especially if someones drilled loads of holes through the stringers etc to mount stuff, alowing the dreaded water into the precious timber. How often do you find a boat stored over winter with 6" of water laying in it? any breach of the glass fibre encapsulated timber stringer and subsequent ingress of water is then accelerated enormously and is fatal for the structure!

It's much, much easier for the water to into the timber through a small hole, than it is for it to evaporate out, in fact it doesn't ever really evaporate out! so it's best to not let it get in in the first place. so, no holes through glass into timber, no water traps anywhere, and never let water 'Lay' in the boat. find someone who's always treated their boat this way, and buy it quick!

darexms · 02-05-2005, 10:19 AM

There are many points for and against at the end of the day, it all depends how much money you're prepared to spend.
From my point of view I spent far more time trying to fix the pig iron on my old boat (both in the water and out) than I ever spent enjoying it. Luckily, this time round I'm in a position to go all new.

Gav · 02-05-2005, 10:41 AM

i'm a little confused as to folks reasoning on this subject

99% of boats 15 - 20 yrs old that have been USED, will undoubtably have some water ingress somewhere, leading to ??? who knows what problems.
I also note a lot of phantoms have been sprayed..... why? a small % do it for race colour? or the real reason in a majority of cases is the gelcoat is crazed, cracked or has had some sort of damage..........
If you cannot guarantee the boat is structuraly sound then you are taking a gamble!
Contrary to popular beleif, fibreglass can weaken over a long period of time!!
Make your own mind up...........is old really as good as newer?? and should you be paying the same price irrelevant of age

Jon Fuller · 02-05-2005, 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by Gav
i'm a little confused

............Don't be

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Originally posted by Gav
is old really as good as newer?? and should you be paying the same price irrelevant of age

............No...

....Unless we're talking about my boat!..that's like a good wine, and improves with age

Dean21 · 02-05-2005, 10:49 AM

I just didnt wont to pay the same price for something that was 10 years older than I thought it was in my eyes thats madness!

Jon Fuller · 02-05-2005, 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by Dean21
in my eyes thats madness!

And mine!

(unless it's me selling it)

Taz · 02-05-2005, 10:54 AM

Do stress cracks weaken the boat?

Dean21 · 02-05-2005, 10:54 AM

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Originally posted by Johnson
And mine!

(unless it's me selling it)

got any boats for sale johnson?

Gav · 02-05-2005, 10:56 AM

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Originally posted by Taz
Do stress cracks weaken the boat?

yes

Taz · 02-05-2005, 10:58 AM

Dean 21 you could buy mine but its well old and would prob fall apart if you was to go to fast

Taz · 02-05-2005, 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by Gav
yes

How cum a fort they were just crazing over the outer surface.

How deep do they go?

Gav · 02-05-2005, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Taz
Dean 21 you could buy mine but its well old and would prob fall apart if you was to go to fast

do i detect a hint of sarcasm ?

Dean21 · 02-05-2005, 11:01 AM

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Originally posted by Taz
Dean 21 you could buy mine but its well old and would prob fall apart if you was to go to fast

sounds like a good deal to me im in do you wont my credit card number?

Gav · 02-05-2005, 11:04 AM

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Originally posted by Taz
How cum a fort they were just crazing over the outer surface.

How deep do they go?

The gelcoat which has basically cracked due to flexing, will allow water ingress through to the fibreglass.......which is not good.

Jon Fuller · 02-05-2005, 11:08 AM

I think it's fair to say that the crazing you see in the gel coat doesn't cause weakness, in itself, but they represent an area that has been flexed beyond the 'elongation to break' limit of the gel coat, and this shows that the glass structure on which the gel lives has also had a pretty hard time, flexing to a point where the integrity of the laminate may be in question.

(Also agree totaly with the above statement)...(from Stavros)