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29-04-2009, 09:23 AM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
Posts: 15,959
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I personally think that the 23 is the nicest looking and best proportioned boat of all the Phantom models.
Before going down the route of basing a new boat on Warlord, for some time Steve kept promising to draw me up a new boat that would be effectively a 33' version of the P23. Sadly, once in his retirement, that didn't happen.
I'm sure it would have made a fab looking and very capable boat.
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29-04-2009, 10:34 AM
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Registered User
Location: West Coast of Norway
Occupation: naval architect
Interests: surface piercing props, stepped hulls, air entrapment hulls
Boat name: none
Boat make: PetterTintorera
Engines: Yamaha 90
Cruising area: West Coast of Norway
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: West Coast of Norway
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If you get Steve permission and a copy of the original drawings, scaling them up and making drawings/templates for a 33 foot version is not a big job.
I agree that the 23 the best looking of all the phantom's. I especially like the bow and the spray rails towards the bow. Very nice!
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29-04-2009, 11:30 AM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
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I guess a straight scale up would be pretty easy, but it doesn't really work like that does it.
Scaling up the P23 to 33' would give a beam of over 8'6", where as 7'6" would be the prefered beam.
Maybe at some point in his retirement I can pester him into drawing something for me.
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29-04-2009, 11:31 AM
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Registered User
Country: uk
Occupation: Diamond/Jewellery/Rolex dealer
Boat name: Beyond Obsession
Boat make: P25
Engines: merc 2x200XS SSROS
Cruising area: solent/altea
Join Date: Mar 2008
Posts: 308
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re p23
How would a 23 go compared to my 21 with 300x?,I am hopeing to find a good late 23 boat only.
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29-04-2009, 11:55 AM
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Registered User
Country: Germany
Location: South Germany
Boat make: P21
Cruising area: Rhine
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: South Germany
Posts: 156
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nick1
How would a 23 go compared to my 21 with 300x?,I am hopeing to find a good late 23 boat only.
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With a 300x, the P23 should do around 80mph. The P23 is (after my opinion) better for rough conditions. A friend of mine has a P21 with a 250 Optimax. The boat is fast, but he can hardly go to the max when there are some waves. When we drove side by side, the P21 was much more nervous.
You want to buy a good late 23 ft. Phantom hull? I don't know a second person who is selling a P23. Have you received my pm?
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29-04-2009, 01:48 PM
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Registered User
Country: gibraltar
Location: gibraltar
Occupation: Shop Proprietor
Interests: ocr,sleeping
Boat name: The Rock
Boat make: Phantom 19XL
Engines: Yamaha 130B
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: gibraltar
Posts: 331
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Hi , yes the P23 was and is the nicest off the lot , and not because i own one ,but i think the 19 goes after, @least for me.
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29-04-2009, 01:55 PM
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Registered User
Location: West Coast of Norway
Occupation: naval architect
Interests: surface piercing props, stepped hulls, air entrapment hulls
Boat name: none
Boat make: PetterTintorera
Engines: Yamaha 90
Cruising area: West Coast of Norway
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: West Coast of Norway
Posts: 888
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
I guess a straight scale up would be pretty easy, but it doesn't really work like that does it.
Scaling up the P23 to 33' would give a beam of over 8'6", where as 7'6" would be the prefered beam.
Maybe at some point in his retirement I can pester him into drawing something for me.
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If you made a quick 3D model of the 23 footer, you could use a different scaling factor for each axis, to get your beam at 6’7” and maintain the deadrise. This would reduce the longitudinal curvature in the bow slightly though, but that is not necessarily a bad thing? Or as most phantoms are fairly parallel aft you could uniformly scale it, and then just extend the model to get your 33’ as per the Warlord. Should not really tamper with this old master piece though…
6’7” beam is by chance exactly the same as what we have ended up with on the bananashark project.
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29-04-2009, 03:04 PM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
Posts: 15,959
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6'7" overall beam? or chine beam?
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29-04-2009, 04:27 PM
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Registered User
Location: West Coast of Norway
Occupation: naval architect
Interests: surface piercing props, stepped hulls, air entrapment hulls
Boat name: none
Boat make: PetterTintorera
Engines: Yamaha 90
Cruising area: West Coast of Norway
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: West Coast of Norway
Posts: 888
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The aft chine beam is 6' 6.2"...so close enough...
Currently 34' overall.
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29-04-2009, 05:34 PM
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Registered User
Country: 56.2 Latitude
Boat name: Apache
Engines: Black un
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 36
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I remember a new P23 which belonged to the brothers next door to Adam and Scott Youngers father mid 90's,
Yellow white it was, it was just immaculate, had a single EFI on then went to a pair, thats the boat that got me in to Phantoms, just stunning it was.
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29-04-2009, 06:42 PM
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Registered User
Location: GOLDEN MILE
Boat name: LILY THE PINK AND TERMINATOR 11
Boat make: PHANTOM 21 AND 20
Engines: 2.5 EFI X 2
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: GOLDEN MILE
Posts: 2,475
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Apache
I remember a new P23 which belonged to the brothers next door to Adam and Scott Youngers father mid 90's,
Yellow white it was, it was just immaculate, had a single EFI on then went to a pair, thats the boat that got me in to Phantoms, just stunning it was.
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I think John G owns that now.
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29-04-2009, 10:49 PM
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Registered User
Country: Ireland
Location: Dublin
Occupation: Boatbuilder
Boat make: Hydrostream V-king, 650SS OCR ,Ring 21, Ring 18, Phantom 18.
Engines: 300Hp Mercury 2.4, 130 Yamaha, Bridgeport EFI, XR6, Merc 200.
Cruising area: Malahide, Dublin
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Dublin
Posts: 1,803
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paddy
I'm pretty sure that a P23 would do 80mph+ with a 300 Optimax XS on the back. If I had the money, I would buy such an engine, get it to 350hp and have a lot of fun at 85mph+++.
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Or you could get a 21 SportCat and get there with a bridgeport!
Alan
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29-04-2009, 10:52 PM
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Registered User
Country: Ireland
Location: Dublin
Occupation: Boatbuilder
Boat make: Hydrostream V-king, 650SS OCR ,Ring 21, Ring 18, Phantom 18.
Engines: 300Hp Mercury 2.4, 130 Yamaha, Bridgeport EFI, XR6, Merc 200.
Cruising area: Malahide, Dublin
Join Date: May 2004
Location: Dublin
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
I personally think that the 23 is the nicest looking and best proportioned boat of all the Phantom models.
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I have to agree, that's why I asked about the freeboard. It's a nice looking boat, don't think I have seen one before!
Alan
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30-04-2009, 10:08 AM
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
Posts: 15,959
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Quote:
Originally Posted by roofer
I think John G owns that now.
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Originaly built for John Evans, rigged by Neil.
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30-04-2009, 04:55 PM
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Registered User
Country: Netherlands
Location: Harderwijk
Occupation: See my website ;)
Interests: duh ......
Boat make: Seaquel 600XS & Seaquel 700XS
Engines: Merc 300XS
Cruising area: Veluwemeer/Ijsselmeer
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Harderwijk
Posts: 421
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If anyone knows just a 23ft hull for sale please let me know
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30-04-2009, 08:41 PM
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: surrey
Occupation: Railway staff
Boat make: P23, P21, R20, RingRanger 25, Sabre
Engines: 225promax, xr2, EFI tuned, 6.2 mercruiser, suzuki 140 lol
Cruising area: littlehampton
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: surrey
Posts: 358
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when i had mine, with the 225promax we were gettin around 75mph 2up
in most conditions, awesome boat! will get another one day! best one i had out of ring 20, p21, ring ranger 25
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01-05-2009, 06:47 PM
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#37
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Registered User
Country: 56.2 Latitude
Boat name: Apache
Engines: Black un
Join Date: Apr 2009
Posts: 36
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lewis, I just about bought your boat before opting for a P20, if it was the one about 2 years ago for £6500 for sale in Kent!
The guy selling it said the owner was abroard!
Did it have a 2 wheeled trailer before your bought it?
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08-05-2009, 04:48 PM
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#38
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Registered User
Country: Germany
Location: South Germany
Boat make: P21
Cruising area: Rhine
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: South Germany
Posts: 156
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Still available. And some more pics...
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10-05-2009, 11:24 AM
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#39
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: Eastbourne ,East Sussex
Occupation: Building Consultant and project manager
Interests: Houses ,Cars and Boats
Boat name: Summer Breeze
Boat make: RingCat 22 , Ring Ranger 25 , Fairline Targa 43
Engines: Mercury 300 xs
Cruising area: Eastbourne ,Newhaven and Brighton.
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Eastbourne ,East Sussex
Posts: 119
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phantom 23
how much boat and trailer,
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10-05-2009, 07:02 PM
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#40
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Registered User
Country: Germany
Location: South Germany
Boat make: P21
Cruising area: Rhine
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: South Germany
Posts: 156
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Quote:
Originally Posted by steve murrell
how much boat and trailer,
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Steve, PM sent.
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