Cyco's new Bernico 21
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Very nice! how quick will this be?
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Not as quick as you. what are you doing at 6am on a Sunday!
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jon fuller said:
at present about as fast as you can row!
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Is that a new restyled 21? I thought that they were somwhat different to that at the back?
I like mercurys new transparent ceramic lower units, do they have a more favourable drag co-efficient as well as looking quite neet??
I like mercurys new transparent ceramic lower units, do they have a more favourable drag co-efficient as well as looking quite neet??
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HOW FAST
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There has been another boat the same spec tested in Belguim at 88mph.
This is what we will be aimming for.
Finished the trim tabs last night, nearly finished now.
Will post some more pictures soon.
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There has been another boat the same spec tested in Belguim at 88mph.
This is what we will be aimming for.
Finished the trim tabs last night, nearly finished now.
Will post some more pictures soon.
Cyco
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Cool, looks like a luuuuvly job!
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Matt said:
Don't suppose you were talking about my avatar were you?
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Agreed, although with that shovel nose, if you stuffed it, it looks like it would never come back up!
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Stuffing
Jon,
I dont doubt your knowledge & experience for one second, but have you had a bad experience with a stuff....it always seems your primary concern!
Am i just showing my inexperience here? as much that i thankfully have never had one... And do i assume that you consider Mr Bakers hull forms to be "anti-stuff"?
Jon,
I dont doubt your knowledge & experience for one second, but have you had a bad experience with a stuff....it always seems your primary concern!
Am i just showing my inexperience here? as much that i thankfully have never had one... And do i assume that you consider Mr Bakers hull forms to be "anti-stuff"?
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Re: Stuffing
Hmm my thoughts too, and what is lieing at the bottom of lake windermere that Garf is referring too ?
Need a diver by chance ? good rates
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Hmm my thoughts too, and what is lieing at the bottom of lake windermere that Garf is referring too ?
Need a diver by chance ? good rates
T
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Re: Stuffing
Not a really bad one no, but had the top off a few bign's at speed and that's enough to give you a taster of just how nasty and dangerous a proper stuff is(and I don't mean a little spray over the front), even just taking the top off a wave at 70 is like someone hitting you in the face with a cricket bat, also seen a few pals get it wrong and noted their reaction 'post event', and remember, a 60mph stuff can easily kill you (Brass Willcoxon 1990).
Stuffing and hooking (been there a few times) are two places I don't like going.
Steves earlier boats such as the original 23 were a bit more prone to stuffing if not driven hard, but I think it's fair to say most of his designs, especially the later ones are pretty safe.
All just MHO.
PS. I'll try to find some good footage of some classic stuffs at the weekend and post some short video clips.
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Not a really bad one no, but had the top off a few bign's at speed and that's enough to give you a taster of just how nasty and dangerous a proper stuff is(and I don't mean a little spray over the front), even just taking the top off a wave at 70 is like someone hitting you in the face with a cricket bat, also seen a few pals get it wrong and noted their reaction 'post event', and remember, a 60mph stuff can easily kill you (Brass Willcoxon 1990).
Stuffing and hooking (been there a few times) are two places I don't like going.
Steves earlier boats such as the original 23 were a bit more prone to stuffing if not driven hard, but I think it's fair to say most of his designs, especially the later ones are pretty safe.
All just MHO.
PS. I'll try to find some good footage of some classic stuffs at the weekend and post some short video clips.
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Re: Re: Stuffing
Don't go there!terminator said:
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I stuffed an 18 (Phantom) with Derek Basham at about 70 mph - he was driving! in Scotland - they tell you that all the times you think you're going in you don't ..................... and the one time it all goes horribly wrong you're in before you know what's happening!
We were lucky because we went in dead straight and the boat held together - they can split at the deck join - although that is normally only if you go in a bit sideways and hook it as well - then the side of the boat gets pushed in and the seam doesn't stand a chance!
The first impression you have is of a bright light because of all of the bubbles in the water and the feeling of being forced into your seat and unable to move. He had buoyancy bags in the boat so it came up level - a rescue boat gave us a bucket so we bailed out the worst of the water, got a tow to the slip, drained the rest of the water out, drained the carbs and the bores, and had it running in about 20 minutes on the muffs!
Wouldn't be able to do that with an Opti!
Most boats will stuff in the right conditions if driven hard enough or wrong! By far the worst of current boats are the batboats we drove past Pete Little twice in the Europeans in Cowes a few years ago - once he was unconcious because he'd sfuffed it (it was reputedly a force 7!) within a couple of hundred yards of turning to go downwind - the second time was in the round the island when we passed him heading East halfway back to the Needles doing about 10 MPH because if he went any faster it turned into a submarine!
(Phantom engine cover?)
We were lucky because we went in dead straight and the boat held together - they can split at the deck join - although that is normally only if you go in a bit sideways and hook it as well - then the side of the boat gets pushed in and the seam doesn't stand a chance!
The first impression you have is of a bright light because of all of the bubbles in the water and the feeling of being forced into your seat and unable to move. He had buoyancy bags in the boat so it came up level - a rescue boat gave us a bucket so we bailed out the worst of the water, got a tow to the slip, drained the rest of the water out, drained the carbs and the bores, and had it running in about 20 minutes on the muffs!
Wouldn't be able to do that with an Opti!
Most boats will stuff in the right conditions if driven hard enough or wrong! By far the worst of current boats are the batboats we drove past Pete Little twice in the Europeans in Cowes a few years ago - once he was unconcious because he'd sfuffed it (it was reputedly a force 7!) within a couple of hundred yards of turning to go downwind - the second time was in the round the island when we passed him heading East halfway back to the Needles doing about 10 MPH because if he went any faster it turned into a submarine!
(Phantom engine cover?)
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Re: Re: Re: Stuffing
Ah go on...tell us...
The forum's lacking the history lessons
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jon fuller said:
Ah go on...tell us...
The forum's lacking the history lessons
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Missus - there is a clue in my post above!
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