Nice rigging

Jon Fuller

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Phantom 28
Just found this on speedwake...very nice!
 

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Yes it's nicely done and it all looks very neat but I'm not a great lover of closely binding the harness. I learned a lesson some years ago when one cable suffered an overload and, because it was burried deep, there was little cooling and it fused a fair chunk of the harness together and produced a multiple short.
 
This finishing could have been done by my brother in law at RadioRaf ehf.

You should see the all wiring and looms in one of those ambulances, it is like an artwork.
 

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Matt said:
Was the lesson to remember to stick a fuse in?:D

Smartie. Now you need the fkin story, don't you?
 
Maybbee Matt wants diggin into his livingroom (engineroom) once again with his toes pointed towards his lords to do rewiring and one more picture taken...........................

:cheers: MATT missed not meeting you last weekend at IOW :cheers:
 
Hhmmmn! I agree with Matt here, there should be plenty of safety net with wiring.
Breakers for individual stuff, and a master/head breaker at source, It can't happen then, and the master doesn't have to be that big either, mine is a mere 25 amp, and it's never poped through normal use, but is small enough to pop with even the smallest short (if the 'even smaller' dedicated breaker for each circuit doesn't first, as of course it would, unless the short is between source and breaker board at the dashboard.

Nasty stuff, Electrickery.
 
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jon fuller said:
the master doesn't have to be that big either, mine is a mere 25 amp, and it's never poped through normal use, but is small enough

Collecting lines to use in Lords of The Ring
Ta,

Missus :up: :D :D :D
 
jw. said:
Yes it's nicely done and it all looks very neat but I'm not a great lover of closely binding the harness.

You need to get on the american forums and tell them where they are going wrong, much safer is the "birds nest" approach to wiring much favoured by a certain Phantom 28 owner!! :hugegrin: :hugegrin:
And No, I not refering to Joni Fuller:D
 
tony davis said:
much safer is the "birds nest" approach to wiring

And sadly all too common! I bet 75% of boats over here subscribe to the 'birds nest' approach:rolleyes:
 
tony davis said:
... much safer is the "birds nest" approach to wiring much favoured by a certain Phantom 28 owner!!

Yeh, I know, and I do it, but now I leave the bundle a bit loose. I also put them into smaller bundles and strap these together lightly.

Protecting everything is fine and I do that too but a partial short occured to my wiring. It was enough to heat up the cable when it was in the centre of a bundle. It melted the insulation on adjacent wires with the obvious consequence. This was made worse because the ties were tight and squeezed the softened plastic from around the cables. It was notable that it didn't melt along the sections where the offending cable was at the surface

The cable in question was the tacho supply from an outboard. Although the tacho requires very little current to drive it, Johnson, in their wisdom, saw fit not to buffer it so the full alternater output was available to fry everything. I didn't realise this. There are times when one assumes the manufacturers are not fools...however, lesson learned.
 
jw. said:
The cable in question was the tacho supply from an outboard.

So was this the signal (trigger), or a positive supply to the tacho?
 
jon fuller said:
So was this the signal (trigger), or a positive supply to the tacho?

Trigger, tapped off the alternator.
 
And whats wrong with the birds nest approach then ?

Ave you tried bending 3/4 inch battery cables !

T
 

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I take it you imagine the battery cables for my 6.5 litre V8 diesels are just bell wire then!:bang: :tea:
 
Yup, they are only 12 volt aren't they ? :duell:

T

Actually its on my list of things to do but ain't likely to happen until the end of the year as it works for now.
 
Correct, so double the current (A) of a 24 volt system with the same power starter motor.
 
In general the standard of wiring on new ribs is crap. I have owned a few in my time and not one of them would I have been proud to have done.

The Pacific's wiring is military spec and wasn't bad. But the wiring on my Ribtec/Ribcraft/Scorpion/small Avon/Gemini was just ranging from shite (Scorpion) to confused (Ribtec).

I here what you are saying JW but if it's properly designed and protected it shouldn't cook. It is a bstard tracing the wiring through a loom however when it's neet.

I think the wiring in that boat is superb and for that matter that's Jon Fullers Phantom is superb also. I am hoping Billy will be a good job but it's not turning out too be that neat.

I was installing a couple of AV conference rooms at the Carphone Warehouse in London and I was stunned by the quality of the structured wiring they had It was superb and certainly made me raise my game.

anybody want to buy a soldering Iron, by the way
 
rowg waiv said:
...if it's properly designed and protected it shouldn't cook. It is a bstard tracing the wiring through a loom however when it's neet.


Yep, I agree. The same goes for your motor and your hull and they never fail, do they?

My comments have been stretched a bit. All I was suggesting is to leave a bit of air space and to use small bunches.

There is a bit of a fetish regarding this type of wiring. If you look at the pics you can see that all 4 batteries have their terminals exposed. Very safe practice..not. Also, when you bind the cables tight they turn into an iron rod. Which of the connectors is carrying the weight?
 
The "Tohatsu One Design" approach to wiring!
 

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