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Old 24-05-2005, 08:57 AM   #1
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Any of you good people,apart from current racers, going down for the weekend? Weather looks good at the moment, but as we all know that can change. Look foward to meeting some more of you. Come over and introduce yourselves and we can have a few beers CB1 C-12
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As you probably have gussed we will be down there as of Friday afternoon
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Old 24-05-2005, 01:32 PM   #3
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Likewise, though it depends a bit on what time I can sneek off work.
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We'll be staying in Kingsbridge over the Bank Holiday weekend and hope to get to Torquay to see some of the racing. Does anyone know what time it is likely to start please?

Good luck to all those racing this weekend!
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Old 24-05-2005, 03:36 PM   #5
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There is racing both day, OCR and Thunderducks on Sat. Then on Sunday racing starts at 11ish with OCR and the f200. kicks off at 12.30 followed by V24, if there are any.
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whats happened to the v24s now
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V 24

The race details show that they are racing at 2 pm on the Sunday
not certain how many are running. Should be interesting to see if the class continues / grows. I recon it would be a shame if the class doesn’t continue, still thinking of getting one myself if I can fit in one!


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At the moment there are probially 3 racing. There are plenty for sale if your interested. It is a shame after two years of growth for the class that they have dwindled to such low numbers, but they are their own worst enimies.
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We'll be there from Saturday morning onwards - Harrier jump jet display an Saturday afternoon as well!
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Old 25-05-2005, 09:02 AM   #10
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Is Saturday the main day then? If so that means I can do Torquay on the Saturday and Weston on the Sunday.
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There is racing both days, but the F200 is on sunday (class 3 offshore, F1 Ribs, basic 200hp boats). OCR and thundercats are both days I think - I'll try and put a timetable up later today.
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Hi,
The Bellamos will be down - hope you are all doing well and looking foward to a great weekend's racing & watchin.
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At the moment there are probially 3 racing. There are plenty for sale if your interested. It is a shame after two years of growth for the class that they have dwindled to such low numbers, but they are their own worst enimies.
It is a shame but when one person pulls out who happens to own 4 boats it is a fair chunk of the fleet.
It's only Torquay that will have low numbers and that's not just V-24 is it Chris.
Ramsgate is the first proper event for V-24.
and as for buying one why go second hand when I can do sutch a good deal on a new one.
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Old 28-05-2005, 09:46 AM   #14
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At the moment there are probially 3 racing. There are plenty for sale if your interested. It is a shame after two years of growth for the class that they have dwindled to such low numbers, but they are their own worst enimies.
I think there will be no V24's racing.

Given the cockpit change requirement, no current design V24 boats should pass scruiteneering, and as far as I know there are no changed boats at the moment. It is a simple matter of moving the shoulder strap harness points from the base of the seat to rear firewall, but this takes a little while, and the RYA only thought to mention this on the 20th, giving everyone loads of time to make the required arrangements.

Additionally, all the Pascoe rigged boats do not have the correct engine cut out. The external engine cut-out is incorrectly marked accourding the the UIM rules, and it does not cut out the engine! It does kill the electrics, but if the engine is running, it will continue to run on its own power. Again - not a biggie, just more time than you have when failed by the scruiteneers a few hours before the race.

Finally - I thought the organisers of the races and the RYA played a good part in messing up the V24 season. The RYA seem to think that V24 is their personal bank, and charge outrageous fees for V24. Someone still needs to explain to me why it costs twice as much to re-issue an A4 sheet of paper for a V24 than it does for other classes? And why the Licence fee is more expensive than other categories? There will be many more V24's at the Poole Basic race than at the National Championships because of the RYA! Owners of V24's are quite pissed with having to fund the RYA, and then get zero support from the RYA.

As for the organisers, they initially demanded that V24 guarantee nine starting boats or they would not run the race. Then they said that there would be no support trucks or campers allowed. They published the race entry fee for V24's as £190, but if you actually entered, then then upped this to £220 - because this is what they charged V24 last year!

So I think some of the V24 drivers will be having a weekend off. I know one is in the Carribian with his family, as they had already booked the time off work, and that seemed a better idea than getting abuse at Torquay. And in London you should see some race preperation testing of a V24 on the Thames...

There is an underlying message here. For a long time some race organisers and the RYA have goten away with doing whatever they felt like, and stuff the racers. The most popular classes of racing are those classes who have removed themselves from the RYA & established organisers.

Zap cat and Honda do well.

They do well because they have removed the irritation and problem source called 'organisers' who dont really care about the actual man in his boat. Their supposed 'customer' the person they are supposed to look after and arrange races for! ZapCat and Honda could do better if they could remove the RYA from their list of problems to overcome as well, but currently they have to suffer the RYA

There are some organisers who actually care about the people they are organising the race for. Their mental approach to the race is different. They seem to think about the person who has spent loads of money on a boat and on licencing etc. They put this person first, and assist the racer in racing. Then they think of the other 'issues' like what the council wants, what the sponsors want etc...

Other clubs seem to think they can arrange a race and the boats *have* to arrive and race, and get annoyed/angry when people dont enter their races. The thing I am seeing at the moment is some clubs trying to pack in constant activity and over pack their time with many classes and many boats - to the detriment of everyone.

What is the answer? - in my opinion : Support those organisers who look after you and your enjoyment of your sport, and dont enter those races where the organisers dont give a stuff. This way the 'spectacle' being offered by some clubs will fall short of the mark, and will loose out - whilst those that manage their events correctly will benefit.

Bottom line: V24 is too good a class not to succeed.

Bottom line: V24 needs to be taken away from the club organisers that dont give a stuff, and taken away from people who just want to make money from it, and given to those clubs who *want* V24 to race at their events, and - like Honda and Zap Cat - if V24 can get to arrange their own events, there is no other class as good for tight exciting racing!
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An excellent post!

Although none of this is new, and V24 certainly aren't the only, or first class to be 'raped' financially by our governing body, nor I suspect, the last!

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The story is this; Powerboat Racing is a strange hobby.

And it has been ever thus.

The guys that “pitch up” for a race are one thing, the racer keeps going for as long as he can afford it is another thing.

We had a situation recently where “Silversufer” broke his engine at the Thames Estuary race.

Shame.

But you can’t go racing without cost.

That is the deal.

This Forum is full of newbies that want to sort out their Phantom,
What prop? What engine height?

Well BluFin in 1980 had totally sorted out a p21, and was the only National Champion ever in a p21.

He knows how to set up a P21.

Lets get up to speed guys, when I was 17 years old (1981) I ran a Phantom 16 down Windermere at 53mph, …


Good boat, but moving on.

19 years later we were looking for the record which was 83 mph+
with a 90hp, we ran 82.,1hull shapes an props move on……………..
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But you can’t go racing without cost.

That is the deal.
Racing is an expensive sport.

And there are costs involved. But I dont understand - and I dont want to accept - that the RYA is profiteering from a class who they assume can afford to pay more for their racing! Especially when that class is the one I am involved with.

For an example ( there are several others, including licence, insurance, entry fees, initial setup fees etc ) Look at the simple act of renewing your Measurement Certificate for the year. You phone up the RYA and ask for a renewal of your measurement certificate. They print out a single A4 sheet of paper, sign and stamp it, and pop it in the post. the work and effort involved is the same for a 1.3 or a 1.8 litre boat. Yet the RYA charges V24 £110 for this service, and charges the 1.3 and 1.8 litre guys £58.

All other classes including RIBs are charged £68 for the service. Is the V24 certificate printed on special paper? Does it have additional work? No - it is issued to people that the RYA think can afford to pay more.

I believe that under European legislation, this sort of thing is actually illegal. Anyone have a comment on that? I have time and money on my hands, and would not mind a trip down to the courts to challenge the RYA. Obviously if I am missing something obvious, please tell!
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Why did I stop racing - cost simple and effective.
I got fed up with so called clubs & individuals milking the the sport to fund there weeken pi*s ups. Half of it is jumped up mumbo jumbo to create jobs for the boys.
How many UKOBA members here feel they have had VFM so far this season? Apart from one or 2 posts here and a totally static web site, what else is high profile. Oh a golf day maybe it should be UKOBAGA
WIth regard to safty issues they should be incorp straight away tough luck on the notice period otherwise 2 years was the way before.
Any success recently has always come from a breakaway, stay affiliated and your stuffed seems to be the norm.
Just look at the success at Barrow, QED
But heck it's up to the races to choose I just saying why I jumped ship. They have to decide the direction they want to go in.
How many 2.5 merc owners here that dont fit into any national class... loads, where can they compete..no where.
Not on a high horse here there are a lot of dedicated hardworking individuals behind the scenes but a load of sponges also.
DOes it really cost all these pounds to produce a measurement certificate... no it dont. Do you really need to be tied up with the UIM no ya dont...do you really need a pic on the licence no again. do you really need half the stuff... no.
They should be looking of ways of cutting the costs to the bone to promote. Would I ever get a licence again £ 500.00 for paper or shall I spend that elsewhere, afraid elsewhere will win every time.
What do you need for racing.... compeditors without them there is no need of clubs or bodies. just whish people wouldnt loose sight of that sometimes.
Long live and best of luck to F200
But count yourselves lucky the london offshore thingy to froglandia is £800.00 entry & £700 for each passenger. But a certain high profile powerboaters supports this event. How the heck with that sort of money is anybody whos normal get a look in. Simply you dont and that is the nut kicker & the way they want it to be. JFTB (Jobs for the boys)

Oh cancel that high horse bit I got on one a little there

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But count yourselves lucky the london offshore thingy to froglandia is £800.00 entry & £700 for each passenger.
Interesting! Although it's an interesting event, there's no way I'd consider paying £1500 to enter such an event (that's if I had a spare £1500!!) and add that to what's known about the organisers' connection to a charter company which operated in an allegedly illegal manner... (will add link later if Johnson can afford the lawsuit!)

Found the old thread on the toob site... it's quite amusing how the London Offshore Powerboat Club emailed a disgruntled custome from their previous "scam" and confirmed the connection!

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