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27-02-2005, 03:40 PM
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numbskull
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I would have said calm water average speeds are pretty irrelevant! if you raced a P25/175's against a B28/XR2's/200XS's, the B28 would wipe the floor with the Phantom, every time, whatever the conditions.
As for the race average speed not being important, I don't understand that statement, coz whatever boat in a given class, averages the highest speed in a given race, gets to the post first, and is the winner, it couldn't be any more important than that.
And in a flat calm race, you could win using a circuit boat!
I'm not trying to start an argument, just don't understand the comment.
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27-02-2005, 06:00 PM
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Maybe I wantn't clear in my meaning.
If I had just be racing for 2 3/4 -3 hrs neck and neck with somebody & I pip them to the line, I'd be happy with the win, the last thing I would worry about is the damm average speed I set as I came across that finish line.
Maybe I have a too simplistic look at the topic. Win is a Win speed dont matter.
I agree a P25 couldn't hold up to today but Robert Cook Averaged 70Kts at a camden tropy over 80 NM. That I suspect is a damm good speed even by today standards, and that was on twin Straight Sixes not V6's.
The start of this was why arn't they any quicker, I rekon it's Bill Gates & Greenpeace, sod it blame the EU as well.
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27-02-2005, 06:10 PM
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numbskull
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Quote:
Originally posted by BluFin
I agree a P25 couldn't hold up to today but Robert Cook Averaged 70Kts at a camden tropy over 80 NM.
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Mmmmnn! that's 80.57mph....average!! this would suggest a minimum top speed of at 85mph, probably more. As far as I remember, a P25 with 175 V6's only ran about 75mph flat out. mebbe Geoff Pinches had been on grandpa's old cough medicine that day
But hey, it's a laff innit!
Steve Baker and his father averaged 65mph in the mirror flat London-Calais-London of 1975, that was in an original P23 with twin straight six's.
I aggree, the average aint important, as long as you're the winner, but TD and I tried very hard for ages to break the 70mph average mark, we seemed to get within a Gnat's cock on loads of occasions....69.5, 69.8 etc, very frustrating!, it was a kind of personal goal for us.
We did manage to break the 70 average over one lap (72.8), but had a water pickup pipe come off on lap 2, and that was the end of that! In fact, I think that was our last race together, at Bournemouth in '97
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27-02-2005, 06:41 PM
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How about a class where the crew must have an average age of 100Years & 220 LBS min body weight
I'd Fit !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and stuff the average. Just get too the finish
"To Finish First, First you must Finish "
my shape not a hope !:frown:
Oh Forgot "Cookie" held the 4 ltr record for years @ over a ton
101.??? I fink.
The first 60 is easy to find, the next 5 more difficult, the next 1 or 2 Kts nearly impossible, great fine tuning en it! wastes hours
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27-02-2005, 07:09 PM
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numbskull
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Quote:
Originally posted by BluFin
Oh Forgot "Cookie" held the 4 ltr record for years @ over a ton
101.??? I fink.
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Yes, he also held the class II record @107 in Aquaglide, but forgot to tell the authrities he was using N2o!
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27-02-2005, 09:00 PM
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OH S**t should we have to decare that first !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.
There were a few about I remember buying an engine from the rig of the previous years championship once, threw most of it in the skip, so bloody modified.
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27-02-2005, 09:17 PM
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numbskull
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Yeah, all homologated engines are equal, but some are more equal than others!
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27-02-2005, 09:23 PM
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What's 'hamoligated'?
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27-02-2005, 09:32 PM
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numbskull
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well it's probably spelt wrong, but an engine has to be homologated to be used in racing, that is, it has to be of an accepted and certified type to fit a race class, so you have to choose a motor make/model that's been accepted and listed by the authority/governing body of the sport (this applies to most forms of motor racing)
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27-02-2005, 09:34 PM
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Ta.
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27-02-2005, 09:51 PM
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numbskull
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twoz spelt wrong!
It's 'Homologated'
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