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25-01-2007, 03:00 PM
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Latham/SEM type of steering!
Hey! Anyone reckon what have to pay for one in good used condtion? If there are anyone for sale that is... And What it so different from for example a Baystar hydraulic steering? It looks meaner and NICER But is there any other differences?
Thanks a lot!
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25-01-2007, 04:49 PM
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Baystar hydraulic steering is for lower horspower only, mine is rated up to 140hp, but I think they have now up-ed this to 150hp. To go higher hp you would need seastar pro not sure what this is rated to tho'
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25-01-2007, 06:10 PM
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Seastar and Seastar Pro are both rated upto 300 hp or 600 counter rotating.
We have a seastar side mount ram that goes through the tilt tube. p.m me if interested
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25-01-2007, 10:30 PM
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Ooooo....do you? I might be interested. Got any pics?
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26-01-2007, 11:59 AM
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Thanks guys!
Thanks guys, but Im mostly interested in the Latham type of steering! And Why should I buy a Latham instead of A Baystar Pro for example?? Thanks a lot!
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26-01-2007, 12:16 PM
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Latham type is better because:
The wingplate arrangement is stiffer than the tiller arm.
The pivot bolt is significantly stronger
The seastar cylinder brackets can wear, introducing slop.
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26-01-2007, 07:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt
Latham type is better because:
The wingplate arrangement is stiffer than the tiller arm.
The pivot bolt is significantly stronger
The seastar cylinder brackets can wear, introducing slop.
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buy if you ever end up in this situation then you will be glad you have seastar pro!
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26-01-2007, 09:17 PM
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[QUOTE=PuppiesBalls;100510]buy if you ever end up in this situation then you will be glad you have seastar pro!
Good point
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26-01-2007, 09:19 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt
Latham type is better because:
The wingplate arrangement is stiffer than the tiller arm.
The pivot bolt is significantly stronger
The seastar cylinder brackets can wear, introducing slop.
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Thanks that was what I was looking for
Anyone know what price these thing go for for example here at Boatmad??
Thanks a lot!
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26-01-2007, 11:35 PM
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There's no doubting that the big side ram setups like Latham or Marine Machine are better that Seastar pro but then they are also three times the price. You get what you pay for and for £800 Seastar Pro is a good system when used in the right application. If your worried about the whole tiller bolt issue get an ARP bolt. Search the forum for ARP and you will find the part number for said bolt, I've posted it on here often enough.
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26-01-2007, 11:59 PM
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Ross, what thread were those pics posted on? I can't find it.
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Originally Posted by PuppiesBalls
buy if you ever end up in this situation then you will be glad you have seastar pro!
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27-01-2007, 12:29 AM
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thats cookees in it?
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27-01-2007, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Johnny Boat Dude
There's no doubting that the big side ram setups like Latham or Marine Machine are better that Seastar pro but then they are also three times the price. You get what you pay for and for £800 Seastar Pro is a good system when used in the right application. If your worried about the whole tiller bolt issue get an ARP bolt. Search the forum for ARP and you will find the part number for said bolt, I've posted it on here often enough.
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Thank you Heard they are prettie heavy and weight is an issue in a 16foot boat! Especially in the rear! Going to purchase a 90 merc soon, but think Ill wait with the latham type of steering until I get a new boat where it is really needed
Thanks a lot!
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27-01-2007, 05:26 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Matt
Ross, what thread were those pics posted on? I can't find it.
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I searched for "Cryogenically" as i remembered that there was talk about it being Cryogenically treated.
The thread is called Littleampton
Burty: yes thats Cookee's
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27-01-2007, 05:43 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NorwegianBoater
Thank you Heard they are prettie heavy and weight is an issue in a 16foot boat! Especially in the rear! Going to purchase a 90 merc soon, but think Ill wait with the latham type of steering until I get a new boat where it is really needed
Thanks a lot!
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IMO with 90 hp it would be a waste of money going with the Latham/Marine Machine/IMCO side mount steering,
seastar pro is rated to 300 hp and 75 mph (i think) and as you can see the tiller bolt must be sufficiently strong if Cookee managed to break 3 saddles and the bolt in question is what saved his engine!
The engine side of the steering is roughly the same weight on a side mount setup as a seastar pro front mount set up,
its just the helm which is heavier on the side mount, but this is an unfair comparison really,
you could still use a seastar 1000 psi helm with the side ram but its C.I is about 2.0-2.5,
how ever the Capilano is 2.7 C.I (adjustable to 5 C.I or something) would require less turns from lock to lock but is much heavier than standard Helm.
We chose to go for the IMCO sidemount steering,which by the way we are really pleased with, because of clearance issues when short shafting our engine(didn't want to have to cut down the transom)
also our engine has in 355 hp and 360 ft pounds torque, so it was just peace of mind that our steering is up for the job.
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27-01-2007, 08:51 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NorwegianBoater
Thank you Heard they are prettie heavy and weight is an issue in a 16foot boat! Especially in the rear! Going to purchase a 90 merc soon, but think Ill wait with the latham type of steering until I get a new boat where it is really needed
Thanks a lot!
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If the steering is going on a 90 merc then baystar will be ideal and the cheapest option, Mine serves its purpose amply with my 90hp ( I bought mine from hypro marine)
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27-01-2007, 01:18 PM
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Why does Cookee brake so many saddles, is it because his boat has a very flat underside?
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27-01-2007, 01:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by PuppiesBalls
The engine side of the steering is roughly the same weight on a side mount setup as a seastar pro front mount set up,
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Really? I'd have thought with the wing plate and the solid tilt tube and its stainless steel construction it would be noticebly heavier.
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27-01-2007, 01:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Johnny Boat Dude
Really? I'd have thought with the wing plate and the solid tilt tube and its stainless steel construction it would be noticebly heavier.
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Me too!
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27-01-2007, 01:43 PM
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Thanks a lot guys!
Thanks a lot! have got what I needed and i have decided to wait with the Latham type of steering for my next boat! It is a shame though because it looks so d**n cool Thanks everyone for your comments and thoughts
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