Boatmad.com


Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
 
Old 22-01-2009, 10:35 PM   #1
Registered User
 
SplitPin's Avatar
 
Country: England
Location: Kent
Occupation: Train Engineer
Interests: Refit/Re-engine Woody's P18 and helping with D2S.
Boat name: Fugazi II / D2S
Boat make: Phantom 18 / Planatec 41'
Engines: 1xMercury XR2 / 2x 8.1ltr Chevys
Cruising area: Kent/Hampshire/Dorset Coasts

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Kent
Posts: 411
Limit Up (80)

Did Mike have this boat built?
I know that it became Peter Stuyvesant 2 for the '81 season.
From the Ciggy 35 thread Graham (Flying Fish) says that it became Gentry Turbo Eagle.
Has it been in any other guise?
Graham.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	Limit_Up__1980_.jpg
Views:	406
Size:	99.2 KB
ID:	18804   Click image for larger version

Name:	PETER_STUYVESANT__1981__2.jpg
Views:	435
Size:	112.5 KB
ID:	18806  
__________________

SplitPin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 22-01-2009, 11:13 PM   #2
Registered User
 
Ciao's Avatar
 
Country: England
Location: Great Horwood

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Great Horwood
Posts: 2,372
Send a message via Skype™ to Ciao
From what Tim has told me, the boat was built for Doxford, first race out it split, and somewhat of a row ensued regarding the construction - and other things!

Toleman ran it at Windermere in Oct 1982 and ran average 110.4 mph, setting the then Class One record.
__________________

Ciao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-01-2009, 10:22 AM   #3
Moderator
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,041
Further adventures of LU cat

The caption for the crash pic states `this was the end for the 10yr old boat`.

Some doubt re the 82 Windermere boat.82 London-Calais states it was boats debut.Same looking boat for Windermere and LCL.Did Needles 81 hole finish it off before Gentry bought it.

Peter Currington would know,but I`ve only asked him 4 times for clarification.This is what your`e up against trying to piece together offshore history.I`ll be the`Victor Meldrew `of archiving before long ,I just know it.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	GENTRY EAGLE (1985).jpg
Views:	522
Size:	99.7 KB
ID:	18815   Click image for larger version

Name:	GENTRY TURBO EAGLE (1986).jpg
Views:	568
Size:	84.6 KB
ID:	18816   Click image for larger version

Name:	GENTRY TURBO EAGLE (1990).jpg
Views:	451
Size:	160.5 KB
ID:	18817  
FLYING FISH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 23-01-2009, 07:36 PM   #4
Registered User
 
Ciao's Avatar
 
Country: England
Location: Great Horwood

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Great Horwood
Posts: 2,372
Send a message via Skype™ to Ciao
Quote:
Originally Posted by FLYING FISH View Post
The caption for the crash pic states `this was the end for the 10yr old boat`.

Some doubt re the 82 Windermere boat.82 London-Calais states it was boats debut.Same looking boat for Windermere and LCL.Did Needles 81 hole finish it off before Gentry bought it.

Peter Currington would know,but I`ve only asked him 4 times for clarification.This is what your`e up against trying to piece together offshore history.I`ll be the`Victor Meldrew `of archiving before long ,I just know it.
When the Doxford / Peter Stuyvesant sponsorship came to an end in 1981, the good people from Aylesbury passed it on to Ted Toleman, although not before a good few UK racers tried to grab it first!

The wooden Cougar went in the same direction.

Pretty sure later that particular boat went to Scandinavia and died a horrible death. (Non Racing)

As for Gentry, I remember he ran an aluminium Toleman (owned) Cougar Cat in the US and bent it.
Ciao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-01-2009, 01:24 PM   #5
Registered User
 
SplitPin's Avatar
 
Country: England
Location: Kent
Occupation: Train Engineer
Interests: Refit/Re-engine Woody's P18 and helping with D2S.
Boat name: Fugazi II / D2S
Boat make: Phantom 18 / Planatec 41'
Engines: 1xMercury XR2 / 2x 8.1ltr Chevys
Cruising area: Kent/Hampshire/Dorset Coasts

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Kent
Posts: 411
Mike and Tim did the '81 LCL. They hit some flotsum & jetsum which blocked the water intakes. The gearboxes caught fire around Gravesend.
It was then towed back to KG V dock for recovery..
Graham.
SplitPin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 24-01-2009, 09:23 PM   #6
Moderator
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,041
Peter Stuyvesant Cat 2

Not sure what you are saying here Ciao.The yellow Limit Up cat as far as I know was not used in UK after 1981,and went to U.S.
A new stuyvesant cat was built for toleman in 82 and this you reckon met a nasty end in Sweden.Is this as you see it?
That Gentry hired alloy Toleman boat came 3rd in 82 New Orleans race,with Steve Stepp beating it into 2nd would you believe.Betty Cook won in her formula cat.
FLYING FISH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-01-2009, 01:13 PM   #7
PJC
Registered User
 
PJC's Avatar
 
Country: USA & UK
Location: Orlando & Netley
Occupation: Workshop cleaner
Interests: beer and boats
Boat make: Cougar
Cruising area: The Solent

Join Date: May 2005
Location: Orlando & Netley
Posts: 124
The Limit up cat was built new for Mike Doxford (not sure what year) its first race was Cowes were it was race by Mike Doxford and James Beard, the boat was very quick but the drives did not last, Mk3 drives mounted as a surface drive, Mike sold the boat to Ted, when Ted had finished with it it was sold to Tom Gentry, last time I saw the boat was in the late 80's when Gentry still had it.
PJC is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 26-01-2009, 01:30 PM   #8
Moderator
 

Join Date: Nov 2005
Posts: 1,041
Peter Stuyvesant Cat

Based on the PJC info i.e. Doxford sold the boat to Toleman,it appears that before it went to the U.S. it was used by Toleman in 82 & 83 with Stuyvesant sponsorship.Then Gentry had it in 84 (see red/white colour scheme in FF pic).
All this would mean that the LCL 1982 report which states this was it`s debut race ,could also be referring to the new Stuyvesant colour scheme or Toleman first use of it,and where Sweden`s nasty end comes into it it,lord knows.Another tangled web with some doubt there.
FLYING FISH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-01-2009, 08:17 PM   #9
Registered User
 
cfun's Avatar
 
Country: uk
Location: poole
Occupation: retail
Interests: sport and being lazy
Boat make: ring rib
Engines: merc xr2
Cruising area: bournemouth bay

Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: poole
Posts: 1,681
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciao View Post
Toleman ran it at Windermere in Oct 1982 and ran average 110.4 mph, setting the then Class One record.
That was a quick boat back then remember this thread with TimB-C saying only with mods did this cat in 87 exceed 110mph before mods it was 90mph+ only

http://boatmad.com/forum/showthread....ighlight=polli

Were the class 1 regulations the same through the 70's and 80's, I know the diesel regulation changed in the late 80's due to the 4 diesel units Buzzi installed in the Mono and then the cat and obviously cat's had a weight penalty
__________________
i can na give her any more captain
cfun is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-01-2009, 09:22 PM   #10
Registered User
 
Ciao's Avatar
 
Country: England
Location: Great Horwood

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Great Horwood
Posts: 2,372
Send a message via Skype™ to Ciao
Quote:
Originally Posted by cfun View Post
That was a quick boat back then
It was, although my dad who watched it that week at Windermere, told me they had no end of problems with engine reliability.

The record was a last gasp thing after having new motors flown in from the States.

Having said that, the Class 3D Cougar, Aquaglide already held a Gold Star by that time! (Not sure what Jo used to do to those straight 6 Mercs!!)
Ciao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 27-01-2009, 09:49 PM   #11
numbskull
 
Jon Fuller's Avatar
 
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast

Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
Posts: 15,959
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciao View Post
(Not sure what Jo used to do to those straight 6 Mercs!!)
Probably the same 'thing' he went on to do with the V6 Mercs.
__________________
.

"I Agree with everything you say really!" - John Cooke to Jon Fuller - 26-01-2013
Jon Fuller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-01-2009, 01:34 AM   #12
Registered User
 
Ciao's Avatar
 
Country: England
Location: Great Horwood

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Great Horwood
Posts: 2,372
Send a message via Skype™ to Ciao
Quote:
Originally Posted by cfun View Post

Were the class 1 regulations the same through the 70's and 80's, I know the diesel regulation changed in the late 80's due to the 4 diesel units Buzzi installed in the Mono and then the cat and obviously cat's had a weight penalty
I think the UIM rules were the same through the late 70's and early 80's.

Cougars hull development was prolific due to their stateside operation, and FB managed to find holes in the rule book.
Ciao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-01-2009, 04:44 PM   #13
Registered User
 
littlenige's Avatar
 
Country: Spain

Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 1,724
I'm with PJC. I recall that the boat was new, and that they started the race late and had to go hell for leather to catch the leaders up, which they achieved if I'm not mistaken, only to break.
littlenige is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 28-01-2009, 05:28 PM   #14
Registered User
 
Ciao's Avatar
 
Country: England
Location: Great Horwood

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Great Horwood
Posts: 2,372
Send a message via Skype™ to Ciao
As this thread is related to Tim Powell, I guess this is as any, a good place to tell people that TP has beaten his latest illness.

Tests in The Royal Marsden showed that TP was 100% clear, aggressive chemotherapy and an incredible will to live beat the odds.

I suspect I will not be the only one looking forward to CTC '09 with Powell doing his stuff at prize giving.
Ciao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 29-01-2009, 02:48 PM   #15
BananaShark Member
 
Cookee's Avatar
 
Country: UK
Location: Salcombe South Devon
Occupation: Racer and builder
Interests: Winning races
Boat name: BananaShark
Boat make: BananaShark 34' Race
Engines: Twin Yanmar BY 260's

Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Salcombe South Devon
Posts: 4,633
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciao View Post
As this thread is related to Tim Powell, I guess this is as any, a good place to tell people that TP has beaten his latest illness.

Tests in The Royal Marsden showed that TP was 100% clear, aggressive chemotherapy and an incredible will to live beat the odds.

I suspect I will not be the only one looking forward to CTC '09 with Powell doing his stuff at prize giving.
I suppose it shouldn't come as a surprise that he has made a recovery, but I am certain that the whole of offshore racing has just breathed a huge sigh of relief and wish him all the best for years to come!
__________________
Cookee



British Champions! RIB Formula 1 2005
National Speed Record Holder at 90.15 (still)

www.bananasharkracing.com
Cookee is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 06-02-2009, 07:46 PM   #16
numbskull
 
Jon Fuller's Avatar
 
Country: United Kingdom
Location: South
Occupation: none
Interests: none
Boat name: Leviathan
Boat make: Phantom 28
Cruising area: South Coast

Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: South
Posts: 15,959
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciao View Post
As this thread is related to Tim Powell, I guess this is as any, a good place to tell people that TP has beaten his latest illness.
That's very good news indeed.
__________________
.

"I Agree with everything you say really!" - John Cooke to Jon Fuller - 26-01-2013
Jon Fuller is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 12:18 AM   #17
Moderator
 
Mike Lloyd's Avatar
 
Country: England
Location: Cornwall.
Occupation: Retired.
Interests: Golf & liquid lunches with friends.

Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Cornwall.
Posts: 2,284
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciao View Post
As this thread is related to Tim Powell, I guess this is as any, a good place to tell people that TP has beaten his latest illness.

Tests in The Royal Marsden showed that TP was 100% clear, aggressive chemotherapy and an incredible will to live beat the odds.

I suspect I will not be the only one looking forward to CTC '09 with Powell doing his stuff at prize giving.
Fantastic news. Just goes to show you can't keep a good man down and Tim Powell is a top man in my eyes and a very brave one at that.
Mike Lloyd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 06:44 PM   #18
Registered User
 
SplitPin's Avatar
 
Country: England
Location: Kent
Occupation: Train Engineer
Interests: Refit/Re-engine Woody's P18 and helping with D2S.
Boat name: Fugazi II / D2S
Boat make: Phantom 18 / Planatec 41'
Engines: 1xMercury XR2 / 2x 8.1ltr Chevys
Cruising area: Kent/Hampshire/Dorset Coasts

Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Kent
Posts: 411
Quote:
Originally Posted by FLYING FISH View Post
Based on the PJC info i.e. Doxford sold the boat to Toleman,it appears that before it went to the U.S. it was used by Toleman in 82 & 83 with Stuyvesant sponsorship.Then Gentry had it in 84 (see red/white colour scheme in FF pic).
All this would mean that the LCL 1982 report which states this was it`s debut race ,could also be referring to the new Stuyvesant colour scheme or Toleman first use of it,and where Sweden`s nasty end comes into it it,lord knows.Another tangled web with some doubt there.
I thought Toleman's Cat was Aluminium which was new for '82.
SplitPin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 08:31 PM   #19
Registered User
 
Ciao's Avatar
 
Country: England
Location: Great Horwood

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Great Horwood
Posts: 2,372
Send a message via Skype™ to Ciao
Ok here is MY memory of the timeline-

1981 - The first year of Peter Stuyvesant sponsorship for UKOBA and a Class One team.

Team Sponsored : Limit Up

Boats Raced : 1 x Cigarette 1 x Cougar Cat (wood hull)

1982 - Stuyvesant sponsorship went to Ted Toleman.

Team Sponsored : Toleman Group

Boats Raced / Record Attempts : 1 x Bertram Mono 2 x Cougar Cats (Ali ((ex Toleman Group)) and Wood ((Ex Limit Up, Peter Stuyvesant)))

1983 - Stuyvesant concludes its 3 year deal with UKOBA, Ted Toleman's last full UK series.

Team Sponsored : Toleman Group

Boats Raced : 1 x Bertram Mono 1 x Ali Cougar Mono 1 x Cougar Ali Cat

1984 - Carlsberg sponsor Ted Toleman to do the 1984 Round Britain Race

Ali Cougar cat (Toleman Group) from 1981 was stretched in Miami, fitted with diesels, and then sunk in the Bristol Channel.

The same ali Cougar ran as Slick 50 (with a wing) when it set the Class One speed record in Southampton Water late '81
Ciao is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 08:51 PM   #20
Registered User
 
Ciao's Avatar
 
Country: England
Location: Great Horwood

Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Great Horwood
Posts: 2,372
Send a message via Skype™ to Ciao
Quote:
Originally Posted by FLYING FISH View Post
Based on the PJC info i.e. Doxford sold the boat to Toleman,it appears that before it went to the U.S. it was used by Toleman in 82 & 83 with Stuyvesant sponsorship.Then Gentry had it in 84 (see red/white colour scheme in FF pic).
All this would mean that the LCL 1982 report which states this was it`s debut race ,could also be referring to the new Stuyvesant colour scheme or Toleman first use of it,and where Sweden`s nasty end comes into it it,lord knows.Another tangled web with some doubt there.
The wood Cougar ran Peter Stuyvesant colours under Doxford and Toleman.

Liveries were different however for 81 and 82.
__________________

Ciao is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

« who | - »
Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Powered by vBadvanced CMPS v3.2.3

All times are GMT +1. The time now is 07:46 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
×