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Old 03-05-2004, 05:57 PM   #41
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Yo sports fans,

reading above whats HOOKING and I'm not pulling the piss.




John are you going to post that footage
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Old 03-05-2004, 08:05 PM   #42
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Yeah, that couldn't possibly happen to a rib!......
Well it can and did and it hurt

Thankfully we were travelling at about a quarter of the speed of that boat in the video but the only thing sticking up out of the water after we stopped and surfaced was four heads, a windshcreen and a VHF ariel, somewhere 4 foot underneath us was a rib with enough internal bouyancy to float a landrover!

Did a great "Red October" when she surfaced though

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Old 03-05-2004, 11:42 PM   #43
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Well it can and did and it hurt
Believe it or not, I was being deeply sarcastic (or at least trying to be)
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Old 03-05-2004, 11:42 PM   #44
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I don't doubt a rib will go in, Jon but they (well most of them) don't have the deck to drive them down. As you said....
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Agreed, although with that shovel nose, if you stuffed it, it looks like it would never come back up!
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Old 03-05-2004, 11:45 PM   #45
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Point taken (in some cases, ie, shovel noses) but the OCR phantom exel doesn't have a shovel droop snoop.
I thought you were going down the old "nothing handles in the rough like a rib" nonsense!
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Old 04-05-2004, 08:40 AM   #46
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Yo sports fans,

reading above whats HOOKING and I'm not pulling the piss.

It is basically when the boat turns very sharply on its own, this often involves the crew being ejected from the boat. The problem with deep V hulls as seen on many RIBs is that when pushed too hard and or overpowered this is more likely to happen.

As far as the recovering from a stuff - I believe that when airborne it is necessary to back off the throttle to preserve the engine and a racers instinct is to get back on the throttle ASAP when landing -

I believe that Ian Sanderson (the driver of the boat in the crash at Cowes) had already "lost it" when he took off for the first time and became a passenger. The only time throttle can hep is maybe to get the thing back up and going again, but if you had seen the wreck that was a Phantom 18 and the state of the crew you would have known that wasn't an option either!

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Old 04-05-2004, 09:43 AM   #47
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I know, and wasn't going to even try the "Ribs are invincible" thingy. It happended in 92 in the North Channel between Larne and Stranraer, a nasty piece of water at the best of times in seas we shouldn't have been out in.

We learnt a lot and very quickly from that incident not least "to use the throttle with bottle" and what the trim is really for!

We came off the front of a very large wave at 25 knots to find a very big hole . The natural tendency is to close the thottle which I did. That was the last mistake I made because I didn't get a chance to make any others as the bow stuffed itself straight into the back of the next wave. The hardnose of the rib went straight in like a dart. I took the full force of the green water and the diver behind me ducked. Another diver on the port side did a suiside dive across the loose diving kit and saved it from going out the back end. The diver on the starboard side didn't see it coming and the force of the water knocked him along the full length of the tube until he hit the a frame and bent it which stopped him going out the back of the boat.

Engine stalled and the boat came to a halt. The large wave we had just come down then rolled over the top of us. Once past the only thing visable above the water was four heads and a VHF ariel. After a long while the bouyancy finally took over and up she came bow first like "Red October" water pouring over the transom and rear tubes. I turned the key and prayed like mad, engine started first time and boy was I grateful! We drove home in silence, stunned that they could be stuffed.

A month later we watched a Delta 5.5m go in nose first whilst going through the Calf of Man, now that really takes some doing with those bows.

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Stuffed my boat at the weekend off Start Point.

It was a small-ish following sea and a wave opened up into a big whole. As we approached it I throttled off, or so I thought, enough to put the hard nose into it but not enough to drive through the wave.

The nose went straight down and the force of the water came back and broke the windscreen, hit my crewman in the neck and nearly knocked me off my feet.

Being a Ribster I just carried on.

Just bad driving at the end of the day

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Old 04-05-2004, 11:51 AM   #49
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When Start Point is rough go about 2 miles offshore and it will be a lot flatter!
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I'll post that vid later of someone losing their helmet in a stuff
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Old 04-05-2004, 08:09 PM   #51
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Also, can you get collapsible steering columns?
with Hydraulic steering you don't even have a column so no is the answer but it is rare or impossible? to get thrown forward as the force of the water forces you back in a stuff or sideways if you hook it.

I reckon the helmet straps are probably designed to break before they take your head off, having said that they are mostly bike helmets that most people use - maybe Gecko helmets would be better as they are designed for the job?
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Old 05-05-2004, 08:11 AM   #52
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Stuffing without banging your head or chest on the wheel.
Does this not depend on how bad the stuff is, for instance if the front of the boat goes into a hole would this not stop the boat or at least take 80% of its speed away.

I have Stuffed a Phantom 20 at over 65mph, this happened very quickly, I suffered a lower eye orbit blowout, and was knockedout for a few minutes.
The boat did 65-0 in seconds.
This is no fun when this happens, myself and by observer were pretty bashed up for a long time after being released from hospital.

My advise to anyone would be to invest in a very good life jacket and if you plan on driving fast wear a helmet.

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Excellent advice
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an even better bit of advice is : - never let a skier drive a boat lofty!!!!
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Old 05-05-2004, 05:25 PM   #55
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Phantom 18 stuff

Are you sure the Phantom 18 in that video was actually an 18 because it looks more like a 19 to me.

In fact it looks more like this Phantom 19!!!!
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Old 05-05-2004, 06:27 PM   #56
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Your right, my appologies to all, tiz an exel (which actually measures 20')
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it was a nice F2 boat i found that boat again over here at the factory it's been sold again but it is still racing in waterski world and it been completely repainted
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it was a nice F2 boat i found that boat again over here at the factory it's been sold again but it is still racing in waterski world and it been completely repainted
It was a fantastic boat.
You never know I may want another in a year or two
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It was a fantastic boat.
You never know I may want another in a year or two
hahah that's what i like to hear let me know when youre ready
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