Need some HELP - Page 2

Tony Davis · 11-06-2005, 12:09 PM

The Abbattes were normally supplied with BMW's, and I would have thought were built much later than when the "washing machine" motors were OEM!

Foolish · 12-06-2005, 10:12 AM

Need some "Urgent" help .... The guy who is selling this won't give me a price range, just "make me an offer" ...So i am asking you (all of you) for an "honest" opinion of what you think its worth ????

The owner believes that it is "88 / 90 Tullio Abbatte" but i found (engraved in the fibreglass) "N=OF27-94" ....( possible "offshore 27 1994" ). On both port and starboard sides there are the remains of the numbering "16GE073D" , and the HIN appears to be "0120",

The Hull (although very dirty) is very sound ( fekin thick compared to my "binliner")
There are no stress cracks anywhere and although I only tested a small area the gell coat appears to polish well

It is missing "engines/drives & guages ( except speed/compass)... the cuddy is although "untidy" complete.
There is no trailer.

confirmed today that it was it was origionally fitted with BMW 220's and BMW drives that were removed and sold 18mth's ago and has been standing since (£100 per month yard fees)

NEED TO BID THIS WEEK, BUT HOW MUCH ?

All help appreciated.......... Foolish

Tony Davis · 12-06-2005, 10:43 AM

I's go in really low and kick him in the nuts, coz no matter how cheap you think you bought it the feeling will soon disapear as you constantly hand over money to get it in the water!!!

What sort of motors/drives are you thinking of fitting?

Foolish · 12-06-2005, 06:53 PM

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What sort of motors/drives are you thinking of fitting?

I am also negotiating on a pair of Mercruiser V8's & Drives from a "Fire Damaged" boat, (although i would prefer Diesels)

The Fire was onland and the boat is "Toast" the engine bay has remarkably little damage (very minor plastic distortion), I will of course RE-SEAL the engines & drives.
95% of the parts i need are included and appear servicable.

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I's go in really low and kick him in the nuts

How low ???? £££££

I have a price in mind but would appreciate a couple of "Honest" opinions of what you think it's worth ?

Johnny Rocket · 12-06-2005, 08:57 PM

You could start by offering to take it away if he pays you a couple of hundred quid for your trouble. That would save him a grand over the next year!

Burty · 12-06-2005, 09:03 PM

You sure you want it dude cus its left hand drive

Tony Davis · 12-06-2005, 10:19 PM

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Originally posted by OLD PHART
IT TAKES AN OLDUN TO IDENTIFY SOME OF THE OLD CRAP THAT USED TO BE AROUND IN MY EARLY YEARS. THEY ARE OMC 800 OR EARLIER SERIES, THE TYPE WHERE FOR POWER THE ENGINE WAS RAISED ON THE FRONT BY ELECTRIC MOTOR AND PIVOTED ON THE TRANSOM WITH A RATHER LARGE NEOPRENE GASKET SCREWED TO THE TRANSOM AND HELD ONTO THE ENGINE WITH A HUGE HOSE CLIP. SOME HAD ELETRONIC SHIFTING OTHERS HAD A TWIN CABLE SYSTEM, ALL RATHER ADVANCED FOR THEIR YEAR BUT CRAP ALL THE SAME.

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Originally posted by Foolish

confirmed today that it was it was origionally fitted with BMW 220's and BMW drives that were removed and sold 18mth's ago

I guess your memory is the first thing to go as you get old!!!!

Jon Fuller · 13-06-2005, 08:17 AM

I'd be warey of the fact that it's clearly had a good deal of water sitting in it (tide mark in cabin) for god-only-knows how long! This could well have caused some long term problems as far as structures go.

That aside, I'd offer a grand if I was still prepared to take it on.

Jon · 13-06-2005, 01:22 PM

Im inclined to agree with you on this "Jonny - no - Strainers".

Id pay about a grand for it, just dont under estimate the amount of work ahead or cost for that matter.

Still it could make an interesting and nice boat with a little commitment on your bank managers behalf.

Matt · 13-06-2005, 01:40 PM

Honestly, I would give this one a body swerve due, at least due to the standing water it's obviously had in it. If you want a project, carly baby spotted a mid 80's formula 302 sr1 (called Formulator) at Port Solent that is probably in better nick, is complete with motors and drives, and has a cover on it so shouldn't be sitting full of water.

The motors might be knackered, but they're TRS drives with gearboxes which might well be OK. Best offer buys it, it's a marina repossesion - be quick though, not sure what the closing date for it is.

Carl · 13-06-2005, 02:44 PM

was thinking about that one today,must be nearly time up for that one.any one interested should call the marina manager at port solent,portsmouth. as for the tullio,i would leave it alone,but if you really fancy it,it needs to be free

Foolish · 13-06-2005, 09:12 PM

Discussed the "standing water" line/stain when i visited on Saturday with the yard owner ,

It had "apperentley" been moved (december) to it's current standing after a complaint from the owner who had to visit every 2 weeks to clear the blockage in the cuddy drain vents caused by leaves from the overhanging trees ( how much does a tarp cost ??

)

Unfortunatley i was unable to gain access to the cuddy (satuday) but will be checking more thoroughly on thursday ( when i hope to make an offer..... still

)

How long before the "Damage" is is detectable ?
( maybe it's worth blowing some "hard-earned ££" on a "full survey") or will the real damage not show up for another year or so ?

Jon · 14-06-2005, 08:34 AM

"Standing Water"

Thats an interesting point, cos most boats (mine included) always have at least an inch of water in the bilge until she comes out of the water and is drained out.

I would of thought that standing water would only be a problem to a badly constructed boat or if allowed to freeze during winter.

A survey might well be worth it if you are really set on this boat.

As for the Formula, thats unlikely to be purchased for anything like what your looking at here. IMHO of course.

Good Luck.

OLD PHART · 14-06-2005, 09:07 AM

After seeing a decent photo from inside these are BMW and as the finished production in 1987/88 the boat will not be younger

Matt · 14-06-2005, 09:16 AM

It might, or it might not, sometimes ya just get lucky.
And you can't beat a fools luck.

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Originally posted by Jon
As for the Formula, thats unlikely to be purchased for anything like what your looking at here.

Carl · 14-06-2005, 09:25 AM

bids for formulator have to be in by the 20th of july

Jon · 14-06-2005, 04:47 PM

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Originally posted by Matt
It might, or it might not, sometimes ya just get lucky.
And you can't beat a fools luck.

Ive done a bit of bidding in my time on marina Repo's, and in my experience to date, if they dont make the going rate they are not sold. And as the fees owed are very likely to be considerable for a boat to be held as security, the marina's are unlikely to give the boat away unless it covers the costs they are owed. So if anyone is truly interested in this boat, offer the going rate cos bargains are for E-bay only.

Jon · 14-06-2005, 04:50 PM

As a matter of interest, what are Abbate's like?

Jon Fuller · 14-06-2005, 04:56 PM

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Originally posted by Jon
As a matter of interest, what are Abbate's like?

Very, very, VERY, blunt at one end, and quite pointed at the other.

Foolish · 14-06-2005, 05:25 PM

JON : the owner dosen't own the yard a penny , was just an estimate as to how much it had cost him over the last 18mths in storage,

Luckily the owner cannot make it this week so i have E-mailed
tullioabbatte.it and tullioabbatte.com (in italien & english) with all the details i have. (cheyenne is its origional name) hopefully they will at be able to at least confirm year of manufacture,

Originally posted by Jon
As a matter of interest, what are Abbate's like?

I like em and "Mrs Foolish" thinks it's kinda sexy to