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05-05-2006, 06:04 AM
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#81
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: brighton
Occupation: CABINET MAKER
Interests: SPEED BOATS,MOTO G.P
Boat name: MOTIVATION
Boat make: MARSHAN 21
Engines: AINT GOT ONE!!
Cruising area: sea
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: brighton
Posts: 1,223
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theres a sheet of a4 laminated on the deck,have a look for that
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05-05-2006, 06:30 AM
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#82
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: dorset
Interests: wasting money on boats
Boat name: aquilla .
Boat make: Superhawk 40. Ring 21E. Seadoo gtx. Windy Khamsin
Engines: Kad 300s. 300xs Dbr .d6 370 230 4tec
Cruising area: corfu
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: dorset
Posts: 570
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thanks for repeating what I wrote Rockey
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no prob's but just wanted to make clear it's under the deck not on the deck , never seen one on the deck? must be a a splash
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05-05-2006, 09:44 AM
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#83
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: surrey
Occupation: Railway staff
Boat make: P23, P21, R20, RingRanger 25, Sabre
Engines: 225promax, xr2, EFI tuned, 6.2 mercruiser, suzuki 140 lol
Cruising area: littlehampton
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: surrey
Posts: 358
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i have had two rings, and only one had the laminated paper, but they both had the date stamped on the back!
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05-05-2006, 01:33 PM
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#84
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Ringle@der
Country: England
Location: Uckfield, East Sussex.
Interests: Water Ski Racing.
Boat name: Both called ‘Irresistible’.
Boat make: Bernico F1 Twin, Monterey 265SC.
Engines: 2 x Mercury 300XS's, Yanmar 315.
Cruising area: South and east coasts. Eastbourne Marina.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Uckfield, East Sussex.
Posts: 758
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A Ring 20 at 20'10" is a much bigger boat than a Phantom 20 at 6m and behaves like it. A Ring 20 does not have to be faster than a 21.The 21 does have a lot more room in it than a 20 but my 21 does not have a sundeck. I have raced 20's and 21's of both Phantom and Rings in single and twins. The problem with Ring 20's for me has always been not running in a straight line but turning corners - they tend to be very light and twitchy. The Phantom 20 corners on a sixpence and I would have said was almost impossible to hook. I have seen a Phantom 20 with twin std. 200 Mercs driven by Lenny Croxden and used in skiracing and the most horsepower I have had on one was provided by an old XR2 with a Land and Sea turbo! Phantom 21's are totally viceless - you can trim them all the way out and pick your nose with the other hand! They float very high in the water (even as a twin) with lots of freeboard providing a dry ride for passengers. In fact I have always considered them a little bit boring- the Ring 21 on the other hand is a different matter. If you can put too much horsepower on a Ring 21 you wouldn't know it! Have you looked at the 21 Cyclone - loads of room, fast, stable and as expensive as you want to make it.
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05-05-2006, 01:39 PM
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#85
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Registered User
Country: England
Location: Bournemouth
Boat make: Extreme 21
Engines: 5.7 EFI Mercruiser
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Bournemouth
Posts: 160
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Originally posted by gar163y
A Ring 20 at 20'10" is a much bigger boat than a Phantom 20 at 6m and behaves like it. A Ring 20 does not have to be faster than a 21.The 21 does have a lot more room in it than a 20 but my 21 does not have a sundeck. I have raced 20's and 21's of both Phantom and Rings in single and twins. The problem with Ring 20's for me has always been not running in a straight line but turning corners - they tend to be very light and twitchy. The Phantom 20 corners on a sixpence and I would have said was almost impossible to hook. I have seen a Phantom 20 with twin std. 200 Mercs driven by Lenny Croxden and used in skiracing and the most horsepower I have had on one was provided by an old XR2 with a Land and Sea turbo! Phantom 21's are totally viceless - you can trim them all the way out and pick your nose with the other hand! They float very high in the water (even as a twin) with lots of freeboard providing a dry ride for passengers. In fact I have always considered them a little bit boring- the Ring 21 on the other hand is a different matter. If you can put too much horsepower on a Ring 21 you wouldn't know it! Have you looked at the 21 Cyclone - loads of room, fast, stable and as expensive as you want to make it.
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Hi .. thanks for the advice .. can you conclude more about the Ring 21? When you say you wouldn't know it re the BHP .. what exactly do you mean? It handle the power well? Thanks
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05-05-2006, 02:49 PM
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#86
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The Doc
Join Date: Mar 2004
Posts: 8,291
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remember, theres:
the 6ft beam 21
and
the 7ft beam 21 (a la extreme 21 hull)
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05-05-2006, 03:11 PM
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#87
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: Somerset
Occupation: old bloke
Interests: Water Ski Racing, Basic Racing
Boat name: Bad Boy 717, Hotshot 777
Boat make: Phantom 21, Phantom 21
Engines: JSRE Merc 2.5 EFIss 280hp, Merc 2.5 x 2
Cruising area: Weymouth, Weston and rest of UK
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Somerset
Posts: 529
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stand to be corrected . . but . . lenney & Brett Croxon's boat was 21 with twin merc 2.5s . . unless they did have another one proir to this as I bought it, see left pic!
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05-05-2006, 04:06 PM
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#88
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Registered User
Country: U.K.
Location: Sarf London
Occupation: Consulting Engineer
Interests: President AYC
Boat make: Ring
Engines: Merc 2.5
Cruising area: Allhallows YC - Thames Estuary
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Sarf London
Posts: 118
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Welcome on board Gary: someone else chained to a microprocessor with too much time on their hands!
I'll buy you a beer at Allhallows if you'll return the favour...
Bud D.
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05-05-2006, 04:27 PM
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#89
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Registered User
Country: uk
Location: Bristol area
Occupation: Electrician
Interests: mmm stella
Boat make: 16 reiver
Engines: mercury 125 optimax
Cruising area: Lyme Bay
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Bristol area
Posts: 344
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[ The Phantom 20 corners on a sixpence and I would have said was almost impossible to hook.}
I beg to differ here ...I've had first had experience of a phantom 20, and fast cornering you are almost certainly going to hook. I know iwas an observer in an f3 ski race at deeside and got soaked because i was flung clean out the boat as she nearly flipped over our skier was pissing himself laughing at us
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05-05-2006, 04:30 PM
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#90
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Registered User
Country: U.K.
Location: Sarf London
Occupation: Consulting Engineer
Interests: President AYC
Boat make: Ring
Engines: Merc 2.5
Cruising area: Allhallows YC - Thames Estuary
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Sarf London
Posts: 118
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Quote:
Originally posted by Bad Boy 717
stand to be corrected . . but . . lenney & Brett Croxon's boat was 21 with twin merc 2.5s . . unless they did have another one proir to this as I bought it, see left pic!
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Do you imagine that someone might start out in ski racing with a 21P twin rig? Lenny had LOADSA boats before that one.
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05-05-2006, 05:02 PM
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#91
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: Somerset
Occupation: old bloke
Interests: Water Ski Racing, Basic Racing
Boat name: Bad Boy 717, Hotshot 777
Boat make: Phantom 21, Phantom 21
Engines: JSRE Merc 2.5 EFIss 280hp, Merc 2.5 x 2
Cruising area: Weymouth, Weston and rest of UK
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Somerset
Posts: 529
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yep am aware of that, but wanst to sure if he had a twin rigged 20ft phantom!
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05-05-2006, 07:53 PM
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#92
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Ringle@der
Country: England
Location: Uckfield, East Sussex.
Interests: Water Ski Racing.
Boat name: Both called ‘Irresistible’.
Boat make: Bernico F1 Twin, Monterey 265SC.
Engines: 2 x Mercury 300XS's, Yanmar 315.
Cruising area: South and east coasts. Eastbourne Marina.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Uckfield, East Sussex.
Posts: 758
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Lenny's Phantom 20 twin was long before his last 21. It was red and called Adrenaline (done in real gold leaf) to pull Martin Brooks. I think it was done as an experiment and didn't last very long as I don't think Lenny enjoyed driving it. Last time I spoke to him he still had the Hallett though. There's plenty of very experienced offshore powerboat drivers who would jump into any Phantom but won't touch a Ring and I'm not saying it's impossible to hook a Phantom 20 - just difficult. The first turn at the end of the Diamond Race stretcher leg is a good example - turning in five abreast nobody else could live with it - always thought they were uncomfortable to ride in though.
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05-05-2006, 07:56 PM
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#93
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Ringle@der
Country: England
Location: Uckfield, East Sussex.
Interests: Water Ski Racing.
Boat name: Both called ‘Irresistible’.
Boat make: Bernico F1 Twin, Monterey 265SC.
Engines: 2 x Mercury 300XS's, Yanmar 315.
Cruising area: South and east coasts. Eastbourne Marina.
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: Uckfield, East Sussex.
Posts: 758
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Bud - I'll look forward to buying you a beer or two at Allhallows just as long as you get the extension lead out for the camper!
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07-05-2006, 10:48 PM
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#94
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Registered User
Country: Scotland
Location: Kirkcudbright
Interests: Boats n Lambrettas
Boat make: Boatless
Join Date: Mar 2004
Location: Kirkcudbright
Posts: 978
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Hi Capt, whats the difference between the C and D Ring 20's?
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