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01-04-2010, 07:21 PM
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Registered User
Country: Channel Islands
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Plant Operator
Interests: Cars/Boats/Bikes/Women/Beer
Boat name: Paranoid
Boat make: Phantom 20
Engines: Merc 2.5
Cruising area: Herm/Sark
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Guernsey
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help!
went to put the boat down today and found the battery is dead, so i replaced it with one of 380 cranking amps, the trim works every now an then and when it doesnt it just clicks from the solenoid on the boat and when i go to turn it over the solenoid on the motor clicks but the starter does try to move slightly, i replaced an earth cable as that was looking a little tierd. i have checked an double checked all wires.
im thinking it could be the cranking amps too low? as the old battery was 470 cranking amps.
it was all running fine a week ago with everything working as it should.
any ideas?
cheers
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01-04-2010, 08:30 PM
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Registered User
Country: UK
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check the voltage at the starter solenoid when someone is turning the key,
you could also try putting some jump leads directly onto the starter soleniod to eliminate the wiring but it sounds like a bad connection to me, id clean the battery terminals with some emory paper until they are shiney copper and try again
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01-04-2010, 08:43 PM
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Registered User
Country: Channel Islands
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Plant Operator
Interests: Cars/Boats/Bikes/Women/Beer
Boat name: Paranoid
Boat make: Phantom 20
Engines: Merc 2.5
Cruising area: Herm/Sark
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Guernsey
Posts: 269
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cheers, tryd that but not direct to the solenoid yet, the trim buttons on the back of the boat aint workin now wich is strange as the others are working.
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02-04-2010, 12:07 PM
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Registered User
Country: Channel Islands
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Plant Operator
Interests: Cars/Boats/Bikes/Women/Beer
Boat name: Paranoid
Boat make: Phantom 20
Engines: Merc 2.5
Cruising area: Herm/Sark
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Guernsey
Posts: 269
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just tryd putting a scewdriver across the solenoid but didnt the much clicking or anything, but when i ran a live direct from the battery live to the solenoid it turned over slowly, would only turnover when the big and little lives on the solenoid were linked. starter seemed to stick in the flywheel too..
cheers
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02-04-2010, 01:48 PM
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Registered User
Country: Guernsey
Interests: burning fuel
Boat name: obsession
Boat make: extreme 24/ scarab 30
Engines: extreme=496HO scarab=twin 5.7L + gale banks twin turbo on trs
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Join Date: May 2006
Posts: 292
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First thing I'd do is try a bigger battery (charge it just to make sure) directly to the solenoid and maybe different leads (battery leads can fray, break, come loose.) All kinds of funny things happen when lacking power so eliminate the power problem first or you could be chasing ghosts.
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02-04-2010, 06:53 PM
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Registered User
Country: Channel Islands
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Plant Operator
Interests: Cars/Boats/Bikes/Women/Beer
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Boat make: Phantom 20
Engines: Merc 2.5
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gonna try a bigger battery tomorrow, as i have been through the wiring again and still cant find anything
cheers
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02-04-2010, 07:34 PM
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Registered User
Country: SOUTH WEST UK
Location: WESTON SUPER MARE
Occupation: MERCEDES SALESMAN
Interests: POWER BOAT RACING
Boat name: BIG AIR
Boat make: PHANTOM 19
Engines: 200XS
Cruising area: BRISTOL CHANNEL
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: WESTON SUPER MARE
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sean1982
went to put the boat down today and found the battery is dead, so i replaced it with one of 380 cranking amps, the trim works every now an then and when it doesnt it just clicks from the solenoid on the boat and when i go to turn it over the solenoid on the motor clicks but the starter does try to move slightly, i replaced an earth cable as that was looking a little tierd. i have checked an double checked all wires.
im thinking it could be the cranking amps too low? as the old battery was 470 cranking amps.
it was all running fine a week ago with everything working as it should.
any ideas?
cheers
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Hi sean,I did have one occasion when I had the starter just clicking but not turning over,I had the starter overhauled but it turned out to be a bad battery lead terminal-they are all soldered joints but even a newly soldered joint was making a bad connection,try eliminating leads by using jump leads and I'm sure you will find it,PS Battery was new 2 years ago with so called 5 year warranty(So it wasn't a cheap one)and was more than adequate to start boat so I don't think you will need a bigger battery,,I replaced nearly all the leads as well and the starter solenoid,Check isolator -corrosion can get in anywhere,was the boat OK on your first trip ?
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02-04-2010, 07:51 PM
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Registered User
Country: Channel Islands
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Plant Operator
Interests: Cars/Boats/Bikes/Women/Beer
Boat name: Paranoid
Boat make: Phantom 20
Engines: Merc 2.5
Cruising area: Herm/Sark
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Location: Guernsey
Posts: 269
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havent been out in it yet nic, it was fine for ages then all of a sudden i went to put it down and the battery was flat, took it to be tested and charged but they said it was fecked and wouldnt hold a charge, so i put a new one it, less powerfull though, and have got this problem? so gonna change the isolator switch and battery tomorrow.
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02-04-2010, 08:15 PM
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Registered User
Country: SOUTH WEST UK
Location: WESTON SUPER MARE
Occupation: MERCEDES SALESMAN
Interests: POWER BOAT RACING
Boat name: BIG AIR
Boat make: PHANTOM 19
Engines: 200XS
Cruising area: BRISTOL CHANNEL
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: WESTON SUPER MARE
Posts: 792
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sean1982
havent been out in it yet nic, it was fine for ages then all of a sudden i went to put it down and the battery was flat, took it to be tested and charged but they said it was fecked and wouldnt hold a charge, so i put a new one it, less powerfull though, and have got this problem? so gonna change the isolator switch and battery tomorrow.
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I'm sure it will be a bad terminal,although I used all new terminals filled with hot molten solder and then plunged the new lead in and covered it with heat shrink,I think I should have reamed out the terminal first as it was a new joint that I had playing up ,you could not pull the lead out but it was making a bad connection,I would suggest cleaning all the connections every few months as it seams to be a common problem,I bet your chaffing at the bit now-I hope it goes OK when you finally get out in it,Nic
PS the isolator was new last year as well
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02-04-2010, 10:15 PM
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topgun
Country: Guernsey
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Civil Servant/ Senior driving examiner
Interests: Boats/bikes/Black label
Boat name: Flash Back/Avenger/Anchor Management
Boat make: Sunseeker San Remo/mini cougar/Cougar cat 25/Avenger 21
Engines: San Remo 2x Volvo 5.7 v8/mini cougar Yamaha 25/Cougar 2x twin spark Yam V6/Avenger has volvo 300v8
Cruising area: C.I.Waters
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Guernsey
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sean1982
havent been out in it yet nic, it was fine for ages then all of a sudden i went to put it down and the battery was flat, took it to be tested and charged but they said it was fecked and wouldnt hold a charge, so i put a new one it, less powerfull though, and have got this problem? so gonna change the isolator switch and battery tomorrow.
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Hi Mate,
Saw the boat being towed along the bridge the other morning, looked good.
If you are still getting pox give me a ring 07781 448652 and i will meet you at the boat and see if we can sort it
Steve
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02-04-2010, 10:30 PM
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Registered User
Country: Channel Islands
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Plant Operator
Interests: Cars/Boats/Bikes/Women/Beer
Boat name: Paranoid
Boat make: Phantom 20
Engines: Merc 2.5
Cruising area: Herm/Sark
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Guernsey
Posts: 269
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Cheers for that!
Il be trying it after work tomorrow bout lunch time if the new battery doesnt work you may well be getting a call!
Cheers!
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03-04-2010, 02:05 PM
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Registered User
Country: Channel Islands
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Plant Operator
Interests: Cars/Boats/Bikes/Women/Beer
Boat name: Paranoid
Boat make: Phantom 20
Engines: Merc 2.5
Cruising area: Herm/Sark
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Guernsey
Posts: 269
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sorted now cheers for the ideas! it was the isolator switch, changed that and now fine!
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06-04-2010, 12:18 PM
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Registered User
Country: SOUTH WEST UK
Location: WESTON SUPER MARE
Occupation: MERCEDES SALESMAN
Interests: POWER BOAT RACING
Boat name: BIG AIR
Boat make: PHANTOM 19
Engines: 200XS
Cruising area: BRISTOL CHANNEL
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: WESTON SUPER MARE
Posts: 792
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sean1982
sorted now cheers for the ideas! it was the isolator switch, changed that and now fine!
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It might be worth moving this inside the boat,I kept putting the cover on and forgetting to turn off isolator,I put it there as it allows you to turn power on and off with cover on,or fill it with grease,Been out yet?.Nic
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06-04-2010, 12:24 PM
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Registered User
Country: Guernsey
Occupation: Postie
Interests: Heavy Heavy Metal
Boat name: Slayer II, Slayer, Pen15
Boat make: Phantom 19G-R, Bernico F2 Extreme, Ring 15
Engines: Evinrude 115HO, Yam 90
Cruising area: Channel Islands
Join Date: Aug 2009
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I saw it at the clock tower over the weekend, she looks awesome!
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06-04-2010, 12:56 PM
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Registered User
Country: Channel Islands
Location: Guernsey
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Shes sat on the mooring now but its been to windy to take it out yet but hopeing to take it out tonight or tomorrow
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06-04-2010, 02:57 PM
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Registered User
Country: SOUTH WEST UK
Location: WESTON SUPER MARE
Occupation: MERCEDES SALESMAN
Interests: POWER BOAT RACING
Boat name: BIG AIR
Boat make: PHANTOM 19
Engines: 200XS
Cruising area: BRISTOL CHANNEL
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: WESTON SUPER MARE
Posts: 792
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sean1982
Shes sat on the mooring now but its been to windy to take it out yet but hopeing to take it out tonight or tomorrow
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You wuss, that's when Phantoms come into their own.OK perhaps not best weather for first time out-good luck
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06-04-2010, 03:37 PM
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Registered User
Country: Channel Islands
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Plant Operator
Interests: Cars/Boats/Bikes/Women/Beer
Boat name: Paranoid
Boat make: Phantom 20
Engines: Merc 2.5
Cruising area: Herm/Sark
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Guernsey
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Haha give it a couple of months an il be out there no matter what, just got to get the balls back!
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06-04-2010, 05:47 PM
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Registered User
Country: Guernsey
Occupation: Engineering
Boat make: None, boo!
Engines: Turbines mainly!
Cruising area: The inside of my workshop!
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Posts: 2,646
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You coming racing then? Have you been along to our meetings so far this year?
James
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06-04-2010, 06:11 PM
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Registered User
Country: Channel Islands
Location: Guernsey
Occupation: Plant Operator
Interests: Cars/Boats/Bikes/Women/Beer
Boat name: Paranoid
Boat make: Phantom 20
Engines: Merc 2.5
Cruising area: Herm/Sark
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Guernsey
Posts: 269
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came to the first one, i do intend to race just dunno bout yet, all about the funds!
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06-04-2010, 09:54 PM
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Registered User
Country: Channel Islands
Location: Guernsey
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Interests: Cars/Boats/Bikes/Women/Beer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Paul E
I saw it at the clock tower over the weekend, she looks awesome!
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cheers she looked good when wet!
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