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Old 27-11-2004, 08:58 AM   #101
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To really appreciate the size of that Torque V12, look at the alternator slung low at the bottom of the block!

And...two Starter motors
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Old 27-11-2004, 09:24 AM   #102
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Old 27-11-2004, 10:08 AM   #103
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You Guys Just dont get the point do you

And your obviously Japaphobic too.

I can only resolve that people who follow the biggest is best routine have small weeners.

Ps. The 350Z is being delivered second week in January. Used to have the 300ZX twin turbo (best car ive ever owned & driven bar the Aston DB7), had to sell it cos we'd put 150,000 miles on her.

I have been waiting for the release of the 350Z in Turbo form to replace the 300ZX. But this will not be released, the turbos are only being fitted to the new GTR, so i have resigned myself to the normally aspirated version, though a supercharger kit is available for an extra £2000.00.

Will probably keep this for the next 5 years and then fingers crossed, maybe ill be able to afford a DB7.
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Old 27-11-2004, 10:23 AM   #104
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You Guys Just dont get the point do you

And your obviously Japaphobic too.

I can only resolve that people who follow the biggest is best routine have small weeners.
MR Don.......... you could be right about the weener!!! but wouldn't those jap motors fizz like Alkaseltsa in salt water !!!!
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Old 27-11-2004, 11:07 AM   #105
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MR Don.......... you could be right about the weener!!! but wouldn't those jap motors fizz like Alkaseltsa in salt water !!!!

Very Likely!
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Old 27-11-2004, 11:44 AM   #106
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........................The S O U N D of them motor's........ COOL !!
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Old 27-11-2004, 11:46 AM   #107
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Are you a closet environmentalist?
We do get the point, and we're not saying it can't be done. We're just saying there's easy ways, and there's difficult ways.
Am i a Closet environmentalist? Judging by the toys i own probably not. However as an irresponsible human being i am aware of the damage mankind is causing to our environment and it is with this in mind that i seek ever more economical ways to damage it.

Unfortunately, its that "easy ways" mental attitude that got this world in the ****ed up way its in today.

Where did the "Easy Way" man get? Nowhere!

I would bet my last Sterling that the technology is and has been available for some considerable time.

Consider this, The oil companies make vast profits from producing oil & whilst it is in demand, they will continue to do so. (How do i know? Cos we supply them the specialist nicol alloy pipes and fittings for their refineries in the Middle East).

As a business, they must look to the future, and what future is there for them when the oil reserves are depleted? Alternative energy, thats what. So how do they invest in their future? By buying up all the technological breakthroughs and then shelving them thus protecting their current business interests.

Mr. Y invents a gadget that makes the internal combustion engine 30% more efficient for the same given power. Now he has limited resources and has spent his lifes savings inventing this gadget. What are his options? He will need to find a partner in order to produce and finance this product, he will need to patent his invention and then enter the daunting world of production and sales (an area of which he has no experience). His patent is applied for and is immediately brought to the attention of certain industries that constantly monitor Patents in order to protect their interests. Those Industries then contact Mr. Y and make him a substantial offer for his gadget without him ever needing to enter the risky world of business ad production.

Mr. Y retires to Barbados happy as Larry. The industry shelves the gadget for use at a time when it will prove more profitable (like when oil is really rare and those with much money are willing to pay vast sums for this Gadget in order to still be able to use their luxury motors.

If you research the motor industry you will see that things like windscreen wipers, heaters, heated screens, heated seats, the electric horn, alternators etc were all Patented long before they were ever offered on a production car. The motoring giants like Ford and GM bought up all the patents cheaply and then sat on them until they were required to be introduced to boost Sales.

If Sony are going to produce a new media Format for Digi Cams they tell the manufacturing
industry and all the smaller electrical companies will provide additional features and benefits for that product.

Sony then buy these patents up and then release their product. Does it come with all the bells and whistles? Bollocks does it! You get the basic product but with new format and then when the customer has become aclimatised to the new format they release the new model with the bells, closely followed by the model with the whistles, thus keeping sales moving and extending the lifetime of the original product.

What the **** am i going on about?


Anyway, i guess the point im trying to make is that there are many ways of skinning a cat (sorry puss), and we should keep an open mind.

"Cos, where there's a will, and there is a ******* will.
There's a way, and there is a ******* way"

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Old 27-11-2004, 11:54 AM   #108
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........................The S O U N D of them motor's........ COOL !!
There was a time when engines sounding like that used to run down the Western Solent . . . . . Awesome.
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Am i a Closet environmentalist? Judging by the toys i own probably not. However as an ................................

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F ... kin ell ......... remind me not to pi$$ you off on the forum !!!!!
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Does that come across as pissed off?

Its not meant to, oh ive not had my medication this morning . . .
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Old 27-11-2004, 12:00 PM   #111
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Mmmnn, all true, except, there are budgets, and the 'will' to make more, reliable power, from far lighter engines in the racing world, where budgets in teams like Victory, or their engine developers 'Sterling', or for that matter Lamborgini, are such, and they're not playing second fiddle to any oil company, they just wanna win.

Being ahead of the game is everything, yet the power they get from their 8.2 litre motors, whilst keeping them suitable for the job, hasn't changed that vastly in quite a number of years, and as we've said before, racing doesn't require the motors to be as versatile and tracktable as a pleasure motor being used by your average Joe.

I'm not saying things couldn't be improved, of course they could! But, going right back to the start of this thread, financial limitations, in terms of what people can, or will afford, mean the big pig-iron motors, and their derivitives, for motors of 300-1500 horses, are probably here to stay for a while yet.

Reckon Matt and I will source a Toureg motor at some point, and have a play
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Does that come across as pissed off?

Its not meant to, oh ive not had my medication this morning . . .
by the way ........ wot engine you got in the formula ??? just kiddin
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Old 27-11-2004, 12:01 PM   #113
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There was a time when engines sounding like that used to run down the Western Solent . . . . . Awesome.
yeah, but we stopped racing in '97
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Old 27-11-2004, 12:16 PM   #114
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I like this discussion; pointed, lively, considered but no one is falling out. Cool.
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Jonny,

Whats a Toureg motor?
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Old 27-11-2004, 12:17 PM   #116
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VW V10 common rail diesel
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Old 27-11-2004, 12:19 PM   #117
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I like this discussion; pointed, lively, considered but no one is falling out. Cool.
Thanks JW. Please feel free to join in.
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Oh. Whats the specs on it then?
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Steady mr don, he's a diesel head!

PS, can I call you Jon-Don?
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Old 27-11-2004, 12:23 PM   #120
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Oh. Whats the specs on it then?
I think it's somewhere just short of 300 as a standard 4x4 motor, and apparently there's a superchip kit available for 365, clean, light, quiet, ecomomical ponies.

It's a 5 litre Ali V10, probably not much, if any, longer than a big block Chevy
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