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26-07-2008, 11:14 AM
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I dont have a copy but from memory that is the way I recall the class.
Edit:
I submit exibit A First Entry Form
Note Class 4 there is no max length- so is the hand quicker than the eye at misdirection - or somebody is telling porkies
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26-07-2008, 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BluFin
I dont have a copy but from memory that is the way I recall the class.
Edit:
I submit exibit A First Entry Form
Note Class 4 there is no max length- so is the hand quicker than the eye at misdirection - or somebody is telling porkies
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Thats the one I sent the payment with!!!!
I see it as rule change after payment.
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26-07-2008, 11:57 AM
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MMMhhh I bet some phone lines are busy at the moment.
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26-07-2008, 12:05 PM
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Mike had intimated the Dragon boat may make an appearance to bump up the numbers anyone heard anything?
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26-07-2008, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 2-XS-IF
The rules have been changed!
The letter I got says. "Based on the information provided about your boat we have had to amend the class in which you will race. As such the fee as well......"
I have the copy of the entry form that I sent with the payment and it says minimun length only no max.
What is on their site now is not what it read when I entred!
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Originally Posted by flightracingteam
There seems to be a huge amount of misunderstanding here - to the best of my knowledge.
The Rules HAVE NOT BEEN CHANGED.
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Gary,
You have been quite good at cutting through the crap and producing a definative answer.
Perhaps you could go away and investigate exactly what is being said, published etc, and return to us with a definative answer. I am not happy to be part of a race in which the rules are being altered at a whim of persons unknown.
We had on these forums, the race organiser publishing the fact that V24's would only be allowed to race the CPC. This was corrected by you - saying the decision had not been made, and when the decision was made you published it here. The damage to the event had already occurred, and I lost the entry of one V24 boat. I dont like that, and the organisers have hurt their own event!
This latest COCKUP from the organisers appears - at face value - to be another rule change.
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE! - for the good of the sport, and to let this event actually happen - PLEASE can you get official - cast iron - information that we can rely on.
thanks.
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26-07-2008, 02:10 PM
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Gary, there was never a max length rule in RB, other than the overal max of 50' (which clearly got changed, as the wining boat was a Buzzi 55')
It was, as described by me in my previous post, a very concious decision to drop the max length rule, as it is fundimentally flawed.
For what it's worth, I reckon this is a genuine mistake, born from someone in an office at P1 re-typing the RB rules into a P1 document, not really understanding the mechanics of it, assuming that as the next class up starts at 27 feet, that must be where the lower class ends. I reckon this to be the case because they've done it across all classes, ie, each class has been given a max length, which just happens to be the min length of the class above.
Also, the change in minimum weight for class 4 from the RB figure of 1500 kilos, down to 950 kilos suggests a slackening of the rules to accomodate 4 litre type boats (which I personally don't have issue with), except, limiting it to 27 feet max, will probably do a pretty good job of excluding most of them at the same time!
If the winner of RB4 wanted to enter, he couldn't, as he's too long for class4, and only has one engine, so presumebly, (as per RB rules) wouldn't be eligable for class3!
Why oh why do people have to try and mess with stuff they don't understand?
my 2p worth.
Something else I have just noticed is, there is only a minimum weight for class 4, but no mention about weight for the other classes, is that the way it was for Round Britain? I can't find a set of RB rules at the moment to check.
It would help enormously if there was more transparency regarding the process with which they decide on rule changes, ie, WHY.
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Originally Posted by flightracingteam
Hi All
There seems to be a huge amount of misunderstanding here - to the best of my knowledge.
The Rules HAVE NOT BEEN CHANGED.
1. The minimum boat length for Class 4 is 24ft 6 inches, the maximum boat length for Class 4 is 27ft.
2. The minimum boat length for Class 3 is 27ft with a maximum boat length of 35ft.
This is clearly stated on the Entry forms.
3Kind regards
Gary Manchester
Chairman, RYA Offshore Racing Committee
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26-07-2008, 02:38 PM
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I have made a good few phone calls on this subject this morning.
The facts.
The rules for the CTC class were "changed" just under 2 weeks ago for class 4
The changes were two fold, erasing the minimum weight, and bringing in a max length.
This was done to accommodate 4 x potential entries of Pascoe SR8 RIBS, who could not meet the minimum weight (1500 kg).
This was done so as to allow more entries into the race, otherwise there would not be a class for them to fit into.
I have spoken to Lord Maxwell Beaverbrook (BPRC) regarding the above.
The BPRC's view is that the original class structure stands.
So swipewipes.co.uk will run in its intended class.
If a separate class has to be set up to accommodate the SR8 RIBs, then so be it, "can be called class 4a".
Prizes etc. will be awarded to all classes that race on the day.
Maxwell is also very keen to point out, that he wants to see as many entries as possible, and would all potential entrants please let P1 know their entry status soonest.
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26-07-2008, 02:52 PM
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[QUOTE=Jon Fuller;137486]Something else I have just noticed is, there is only a minimum weight for class 4, but no mention about weight for the other classes, is that the way it was for Round Britain? I can't find a set of RB rules at the moment to check.
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I have put them up on "rules" on the RB site.
http://www.roundbritainrace.co.uk/rules.htm
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26-07-2008, 03:45 PM
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OK, that makes sense and I certainly wouldn't want to see the rules exclude the SR8's. As I said previously, I have no issue with the reduced minimum weight anyways, so lets lump the SR8s in with us.
However, what I don't get, is what advantage the new maximum length rule has had (other than to exclude us and the Goldfish 29), unless I was right and this is just a mistake / misunderstanding.
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26-07-2008, 03:59 PM
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Thanks.
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Originally Posted by ciao!
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26-07-2008, 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
OK, that makes sense and I certainly wouldn't want to see the rules exclude the SR8's. As I said previously, I have no issue with the reduced minimum weight anyways, so lets lump the SR8s in with us.
However, what I don't get, is what advantage the new maximum length rule has had (other than to exclude us), unless I was right and this is just a mistake / misunderstanding.
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This was the idea of the "chap" at P1 who is looking after race entries for the CTC event. (very experienced in sailing, but not so much in Offshore).
He took a "view" on the class structure, and then decided to "change things". Probably best to leave it like that - no "dark forces", - just a guy trying to do a job in the best way he felt he could do it.
This of course impacted your entry. BPRC has overridden the call on that one for the right reasons.
Now that certain "chap" is bored of my phone calls on a Saturday, you are where you belong in Class 4 for CTC, hope we can get some more entries!
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26-07-2008, 04:02 PM
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OK, Cool.
how many 'firm' entries are there now? (across all classes)
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26-07-2008, 04:13 PM
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"firm" is approx 21.
After blowing large T-Mobile minutes over the last 24 hours it's possible we could see 30 plus race boats turn up for scrutineering. (Mix and Match CTC & Peveril)
The big problem is that P1 need "firm entries".
They have a "sponsor in the wings", and need to show intent very early next week.
So once again intended entrants need to contact P1 soonest - If you want to send me a PM so I can forward details - no problem.
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26-07-2008, 04:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
Gary, there was never a max length rule in RB, other than the overal max of 50' (which clearly got changed, as the wining boat was a Buzzi 55')
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Steady on with the wild accusations old chap. You know how creative these manufacturers can be with their model designations!
According to the spec sheet, a Buzzi 55' is actually just uner 52' LOA with a measured length of a bit under 45' which is easily in class.
Bloody racers. Can't you find enough crap to moan about without making things up?
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26-07-2008, 05:08 PM
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We haven't once moaned about our Phantom 39
Quote:
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Bloody racers. Can't you find enough crap to moan about without making things up?
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26-07-2008, 05:12 PM
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We haven't once moaned about our Phantom 39
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26-07-2008, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by ciao!
I still can't understand how you transported that 39 footer on 3 wheels.
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'How', or 'WHY'
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26-07-2008, 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
'How', or 'WHY'
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Nice hi res shot taken of the trailer by Chris Davies.
http://www.roundbritainrace.co.uk/fo...my%20wagon.jpg
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26-07-2008, 05:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
Perfect!
BTW, RE: RB08, I heard today that Lame-Lemmer got his 6BY Yanmars FOC (on loan)from Barrus! they got good value there eh! Fancy the Barrus management sponsoring the crankies and expecting a result!
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Oh! we did look at 6BY- Yanmars to buy from them but got no deal AT ALL. We would have used them, braced the mounts as we did on ours, then given them back and would now be fitting 2 new petrol motors, which they would have sold us. Maybe next time.
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26-07-2008, 05:51 PM
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That was second time we were down to three wheels, first time on the way to Portsmouth 20th June same wheel, 1st time blowout, 2nd time wheel bearing, adds to the fun of it all.
Let the SR8s in class 4
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