Bertram 38 Competition - Page 5

Adam · 22-05-2006, 11:46 PM

Pangare Gringo at Cowes in 75

BluFin · 22-05-2006, 11:53 PM

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Originally posted by Jon Fuller
That shot's off the front cover of a Mariner Magazine or similar innit?

Yep Dave sewell took the helm was a good mag Sue Drinkwater had the helm in the early days, Barry Drinkwaters Sister (bentleys Oyster bar)
Mariner Uk
Before That South Coast Mariner
Before That Mariner
can you guess I found more bits in the Junk room tonight !!!!!

Black_Tornado · 23-05-2006, 12:11 AM

BluFin
CTC 1970! I know this picture.
But I prefere this of two Black Tornados togheter. It happened two time at Wills Trophy and at Naples Trophy (the picture) in the same year. The 89 for Cosentino in 1971 was cutted and reducted at 31'. Balestrieri run with it few races. In the 1974 Al Sahlman with the same boat renamed The Little Cigarette set the new offshore speed record at Marina del Rey.

The Pascoe Watson's Double O Seven-Avenger went in USA with Tommy Sopwith after Deauville victory to challenge Black Tornado in a famous controversial end of the season.
Note the 400 instead the usual 007.

BluFin · 23-05-2006, 12:19 AM

Funny en it here we are 35 years down the road and guesswhat this years Class 1 was a rulebook pi**ing contest bit like then really all revolving around engines. Nice to see we have moved forward

(turbochargers, rant, scream, complain)

Questioning my own memory now where did 007 burn out, certain it was a northern French race. end of season I'm sure

Black_Tornado · 23-05-2006, 12:27 AM

Someone can tell me where are in sight Franz and Gill? Portland Bill or Anvil Point?

BluFin · 23-05-2006, 12:41 AM

Dat Aint Portland for sure.

If its Anvil point, Wash from preceeding boats is the wrong direction for the location racing line will be taking you inshore tight to the coast at the light house not out to sea.
Got a more Solent feeling. Bit of local knowlage help here guys please.......

Cookee · 23-05-2006, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BluFin
Yep Dave sewell took the helm was a good mag Sue Drinkwater had the helm in the early days, Barry Drinkwaters Sister (bentleys Oyster bar)
Mariner Uk
Before That South Coast Mariner
Before That Mariner
can you guess I found more bits in the Junk room tonight !!!!!

Bloody hell - I sailed on TS Royalist in 1975 for a couple of weeks - got quite drunk in Dartmouth

PJC · 23-05-2006, 08:57 AM

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Originally posted by Black_Tornado
The Toleman Group was already with three person bolster.

Then we changed it to a two person as when Ted raced with Smitty there was no navigator

littlenige · 23-05-2006, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BluFin
Dat Aint Portland for sure.

If its Anvil point, Wash from preceeding boats is the wrong direction for the location racing line will be taking you inshore tight to the coast at the light house not out to sea.
Got a more Solent feeling. Bit of local knowlage help here guys please.......

I´m open to be blown out of the water on this one but I reckon that Gill/Franz shot may be somewhere around Yarmouth with the coast in the background being just west of Lymington?????

BluFin · 23-05-2006, 09:57 AM

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Originally posted by PJC
Then we changed it to a two person as when Ted raced with Smitty there was no navigator

That explains a bit then

Only kidding PJC , Ted

BluFin · 23-05-2006, 10:04 AM

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Originally posted by littlenige
I´m open to be blown out of the water on this one but I reckon that Gill/Franz shot may be somewhere around Yarmouth with the coast in the background being just west of Lymington?????

The location I dunno I got a looking South towards Osbourne bay area , creeping sneaky feeling but not sure, Lyminton is pretty flat all the way past Hurst till it rises at Highcliff.
an overnight thought was possibly Kimmeridge / Chapmans pool as the coast tails away on the correct course but the old lighthouse isn't on the coast and that Jurassic outline isn't there.

Adam · 23-05-2006, 10:27 AM

looks like the Island coast to me - on the return to the Solent perhaps?

SplitPin · 23-05-2006, 02:29 PM

That would be the '76 CTC which Charles Gill won. So i think it is coming up the Solent, where I don't know though.

Black_Tornado · 23-05-2006, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by SplitPin
That would be the '76 CTC which Charles Gill won. So i think it is coming up the Solent, where I don't know though.

Not. Is the CTC 1975. There is Pangare' Gringo that race in England only that year. Gill is at the first year in I Like It Too.

BluFin · 23-05-2006, 06:50 PM

maybe about the bottom of this pic running right to left ??????

boy was I busy at work today

Black_Tornado · 23-05-2006, 06:54 PM

BluFin wait a little that I post others pictures.....

Black_Tornado · 23-05-2006, 07:33 PM

CTC 78 Maybe is this Portland Bill?

Black_Tornado · 23-05-2006, 07:38 PM

....and here?

Black_Tornado · 23-05-2006, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BluFin
Funny en it here we are 35 years down the road and guesswhat this years Class 1 was a rulebook pi**ing contest bit like then really all revolving around engines. Nice to see we have moved forward (turbochargers, rant, scream, complain)

Questioning my own memory now where did 007 burn out, certain it was a northern French race. end of season I'm sure

Deauville was the last race in Europe in 1970,like tradition,in that years and 007 won with Tim Powell.
The former 007 now 400 with Sopwith,burn out in the last race,Key West in november.

BluFin · 23-05-2006, 10:33 PM

Limit Up, Satisfaction & Tolman Is just passed the poole Fairway mark, Swanage bay in the background & the the headland is Handfast point.
Alitalia looks like portland but it's I suspect after the bill and just passed Pulpit rock. Giveaway might well be a tight inshore line that a lot used to take to keep out of the tide race. can make a big difference that 100 yards (meters sorry) extra out to sea. Cosentino isn't it?