Brass Monkey 2008

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1st Honey Party average speed 72.12 7laps
2nd Bat boat " " 60.12 7laps
3rd Hot Lemon " " 55.92 7laps
4th Notorius 48.98 6laps
5th Batteries Not Inc 47.43 6laps
6th K4 44.84 6laps
7th Cider Daze 43.84 5laps
8th Team Purple 42.78 5laps
9th Phantom 28 42.51 5laps
10thYKnot 41.81 5laps
11th My Pleasure 39.85 5laps
12th Nemesis 38.84 5laps
13th Buzzi Bullet 31.09 4laps

The Evinrude 150 (6th) and the Honda 150 (7th) seem well matched, as there is only 1 mph difference avg race speed.

[Jon Fuller]

Some surprising speeds there.
The Skater looked much quicker than a 72 average, though they did seem to slow toward the end.
And Lance in the V24 looked quicker than 60. Appeared to be flat out most of the time.
But the smaller/slower classes appear to have kept up near their max, the 130 Honda for example.

I take these are Mph, and not Knts? If it's knots, the 130H boat has worked a miracle.

[Carl]

150 honda,slip of the tongue jon,wheres chaos when you need him

[Adam]

Originally Posted by on the rocks

The Evinrude 150 (6th) and the Honda 150 (7th) seem well matched, as there is only 1 mph difference avg race speed.

Always more to the story than just looking at the speeds.

I'm sure I had an advantage with the Evinrude HO over the Honda.

We had a good battle with the Cider Daze guys (who were going really well) for the first lap or two and then pulled clear - job done.

We were also running without a bow tank, which was far from ideal and kept us some way from our best speeds in the conditions. As such had to trim the boat very differently to ideal and really had to tuck in her all the way round.

Just to put things straight!

Didnt mean to have a dig,
The figures just seemed well matched given the 150 Evinrude puts out well in exess of 150 hp at the prop, and a race designed Rib hull.
Expectations would normally be if its lumpy the race RIB would have flown away in to the distance with extra hp, against the Honda boat.
As i dont race.
How much extra speed does a bow tank give in a small chop?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by on the rocks

Didnt mean to have a dig,
The figures just seemed well matched given the 150 Evinrude puts out well in exess of 150 hp at the prop, and a race designed Rib hull.
Expectations would normally be if its lumpy the race RIB would have flown away in to the distance with extra hp, against the Honda boat.
As i dont race.
How much extra speed does a bow tank give in a small chop?

Well - it was a bit more than a small chop - so a bow tank makes a big difference - certainly in the following sea leg.

It is a not a race designed RIB - it is sports RIB with 4 seats and designed for all round use. Yes it is stepped and they do benefit - but it still very different to a full on race step design.

Who knows how much a 150 HO gives - as I said I'm sure it was a benefit over the Honda 150. My engine is not mapped for max power actually as it runs on normal oil rather than synthetic so again who knows?

Also once in the lead I brought it home - could have pushed a bit harder if need be.

[Burty]

why would you want a bow tank in a following sea??? wouldn't that make you stuff?

[ForTwo]

what happened with Jan & Drew DNF... because?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Burty

why would you want a bow tank in a following sea??? wouldn't that make you stuff?

Not at all if set-up correctly and driven hard and well.

Down wind still really trying to keep the boat level or a few degrees up - certainly not flying the bow or you have a greater chance of tripping.

However with more weight up front you can (and need to) keep more speed up and use the momentum of the hull to get across the following sea.

At the same time I would not recommend it with all boats - but for me this has the greatest potential to be quick - but there are many other factors from the hull form (does it allow you do run this way? to your overall set-up (do you need to run this way? / position of c of g / overall weight etc).

It does also mean you are taking some risks and you have to read the sea and know your boat - but thats racing...

[The Force]

Originally Posted by Adam

Always more to the story than just looking at the speeds.

I'm sure I had an advantage with the Evinrude HO over the Honda.

We had a good battle with the Cider Daze guys (who were going really well) for the first lap or two and then pulled clear - job done.

We were also running without a bow tank, which was far from ideal and kept us some way from our best speeds in the conditions. As such had to trim the boat very differently to ideal and really had to tuck in her all the way round.

Just to put things straight!

I suspect the Evinrude has a little more poke than the Honda being a stroker, but Adams rib was definately faster - nice piece of kit - The 150 Honda's are a minimum of 1100KG, so about 1180KG race weight with fuel and bits and bobs on, so I suspect the rib should be a little lighter too, but i may be wrong - Interested to know how heavy it is?

We hit something in the water on the start run, and bent 2 blades and ran about 4mph down on our normal speed for the conditions, however poor ole Lings Honda 150 also hit something, did the leg, prop, and mounts (apparently the gearcase dropped so that anything above tickover the driveshaft dropped out the engine and they had no power - Anyway 'nough of the excuses, fantastic day, well done to everyone, and I just thought it was great everybody made the effort and we all got a pre-season blast!

[Adam]

Fully agreed - thought it was a really good event and a lot of fun. A lot of what powerboating should be about.

Good to meet some new people and put some face to names as well.

Also thought there was some really good racing and good performances - and yes the 150 Honda boats went really well, we certainly had to work pretty hard and do ache a bit now!

[CB1]

Originally Posted by BluFin

Well it was cold & dry, a tad on the bumpy side, But luckly there was some old boy on the pier producing enough hot air to keep everybody warm, god you talk shite. The small boats arnt a joke & with out them you would have no sport. Sorry you found it Boring.

So Honey Pot thingy - well it won nothing even close sounds great, Dunno maybe a bit on the fragile side for the RB8

V2 - Well V2 on its own very un exciting but driven hard

Phantom 28 & Buzzi Bullet I thought they must be down a bit as I expected more. Maybe it was the pace set by HP & V2

Now this sticks in the throat. HONDA WELL DONE, 225 wooped the IIIC boats With the 150's in between. Good run guys & a great performance, forced my words right back down my throat
Didn't bump into anything all race

The way I see it there were several winners out there today not just first pass the post

Well done to the guys in the Honda 225, good drive. Just didnt have a long enough run into wind, next time!!!!!!

Bluefin, I must bow to your superior offshore knowledge, but I dont see how less than 2mph can be discribed as a whooping, especialy with 10%+ more hp and on a day very well suited to mono's. Perhaps you could have done better.
Lets hope you finaly manage to make the start line this season and see how you fare against us crap 3c boats.

Originally Posted by Adam

Not at all if set-up correctly and driven hard and well.

Down wind still really trying to keep the boat level or a few degrees up - certainly not flying the bow or you have a greater chance of tripping.

However with more weight up front you can (and need to) keep more speed up and use the momentum of the hull to get across the following sea.

At the same time I would not recommend it with all boats - but for me this has the greatest potential to be quick - but there are many other factors from the hull form (does it allow you do run this way? to your overall set-up (do you need to run this way? / position of c of g / overall weight etc).

It does also mean you are taking some risks and you have to read the sea and know your boat - but thats racing...

( Nice looking RIB)
From the photos it looks like you guys had great fun, photos can sometimes make the water look less rough.
Can i ask, at what speed in say your RIB does this highlighted phenomenon occur,
I'm not sure i understand how it works.
Could you explain in more detail, Thanks
This is an education too me being new to sports boats,

[BluFin]

Originally Posted by CB1

Well done to the guys in the Honda 225, good drive. Just didnt have a long enough run into wind, next time!!!!!!

Bluefin, I must bow to your superior offshore knowledge, but I dont see how less than 2mph can be discribed as a whooping, especialy with 10%+ more hp and on a day very well suited to mono's. Perhaps you could have done better.
Lets hope you finaly manage to make the start line this season and see how you fare against us crap 3c boats.

Also there a 3.5 Ltr................ So you were giving away 25 Hp + 1 ltr in cc

Edit: If I get there I'd expect to be lapped more than a few times. Not in the same ballpark. fun runner only

[ciao!]

Originally Posted by BluFin

Also there a 3.5 Ltr................ So you were giving away 25 Hp + 1 ltr in cc

Edit: If I get there I'd expect to be lapped more than a few times. Not in the same ballpark. fun runner only

Stop posting and Go Racing!

I am too old to race, so help out !

[BluFin]

Err............. your younger than me

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[Adam]

Originally Posted by on the rocks

( Nice looking RIB)
From the photos it looks like you guys had great fun, photos can sometimes make the water look less rough.
Can i ask, at what speed in say your RIB does this highlighted phenomenon occur,
I'm not sure i understand how it works.
Could you explain in more detail, Thanks
This is an education too me being new to sports boats,

Not really a phenomenon - just set-up - and thus a combination of many factors from the design of the hull to the rigging etc. I have set-up many of my boats to run like this and not just RIBs.

The quickest way forward is always going to be staying as level as possible and with shaft line in the direction you are going - however this is in an ideal world - and head wind / tail winds etc soon change your settings to achieve this for different directions.

Bu using ballast even down wind it allows me to keep as neutral trim set-up as possible and thus also fly the boat more level.

However you will still want a set-up where you can lift the bow fairly easily for when a bigger than average 'hole' appears, or have very good recovery in the bow sections (which a RIB will naturally have due to its tubes).

Juts so many factors - could go on for ages - sea height / fetch, hull type ,step angle, hull weight, C of G, prop choice, etc etc

Hope this helps a bit...