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05-02-2008, 09:39 AM
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Thank you for explaining.
Looking through the net, who is the outlet for K4 RIBs.
I was trying to find any testing that has been covered by mags etc.
Because this rib is designed for all round use in a high volume market.
How many have been built in the last few years?
Are they still built today?
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05-02-2008, 11:20 AM
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#122
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Originally Posted by on the rocks
Thank you for explaining.
Looking through the net, who is the outlet for K4 RIBs.
I was trying to find any testing that has been covered by mags etc.
Because this rib is designed for all round use in a high volume market.
How many have been built in the last few years?
Are they still built today?
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The K4 RIB story in short.
I started of the venture at a time when I thought it would be good to have an actual product in addition to my Design work. Only 5 were built in total and one was the boat that I still have and raced.
Soon found it pretty difficult to make profits from building boats - and many problems as I was using sub-contract laminators etc and not always available when needed etc. At the same tiem my design business bacame very busy and I could not devote that much of my time / efforts towards the RIB building.
I then sold off the moulds to Atlantis who built at least another three RIBs.
It appears they got into troubles / partners fell out / whatever. Anyway not sure where the moulds are now and have been trying to track them down as I have enquiries from other potential builders of the boat.
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05-02-2008, 12:04 PM
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To add to what Adam has said about bow tank use, we rarely use a bow tank going downwind, although in some circumstances it can be usefull, especially when it is a confused sea. We of course have a totally different hull, and we probably have different props, centre of gravity etc. I would not recomend using and ballast forward going downwind unless you are very confident in your boats characteristics!
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05-02-2008, 12:20 PM
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I would not recomend using ballast forward going downwind
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I disagree!
I would strongly reccomend any Round Britain competitors, especially those competing in the RB4 class, to add as much weight fwd as is humanly possible, especially where they're expecting to find a following sea. Cement is a good heavy material, so why not pump a few tons in the bows, and be done with it. You won't go far wrong.
Hope this helps
JF
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05-02-2008, 12:24 PM
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#125
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Cheaper alternative fit TD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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05-02-2008, 12:28 PM
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BananaShark Member
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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
I disagree!
I would strongly reccomend any Round Britain competitors, especially those competing in the RB4 class, to add as much weight fwd as is humanly possible, especially where they're expecting to find a following sea. Cement is a good heavy material, so why not pump a few tons in the bows, and be done with it. You won't go far wrong.
Hope this helps
JF
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Surely that would require substantial reinforcement in the bow area - We reckon 10 layers of 785 gram aramat would help
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05-02-2008, 12:30 PM
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numbskull
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Originally Posted by Cookee
Surely that would require substantial reinforcement in the bow area - We reckon 10 layers of 785 gram aramat would help
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No, No, No!
leave all structures 'as is', twill be just fine!
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05-02-2008, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
I disagree!
I would strongly reccomend any Round Britain competitors, especially those competing in the RB4 class, to add as much weight fwd as is humanly possible, especially where they're expecting to find a following sea. Cement is a good heavy material, so why not pump a few tons in the bows, and be done with it. You won't go far wrong.
Hope this helps
JF
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Grumpy today, are we?
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05-02-2008, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by TimB-C
Cheaper alternative fit TD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I was thinking more like 2, or 3 times the 'TD' density / specific gravity.
you wanna ensure that bows stays nice n low!
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05-02-2008, 12:31 PM
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#130
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true, very true but you would have that soppy grin to keep you wondering why in gods name you are doing it !!!!
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05-02-2008, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jw.
Grumpy today, are we?
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Not at all! Just trying to be of assistance.
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05-02-2008, 12:32 PM
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density is a "dingle" speciallity
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05-02-2008, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by TimB-C
true, very true but you would have that soppy grin to keep you wondering why in gods name you are doing it !!!!
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Got one of those of my own, so just need a wee make up mirror.
Can I borrow yours Kitten?
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05-02-2008, 12:34 PM
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hope you got good insurance kitten, "Bollocks" is still traumatised!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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05-02-2008, 12:35 PM
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'Bollocks' is just fine! had a chat with him yesterday.
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05-02-2008, 12:38 PM
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"Big Bird" says he is very clingie since u was down there!!!!!!!!!!
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05-02-2008, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
Got one of those of my own, so just need a wee make up mirror.
Can I borrow yours Kitten?
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Nope, just broke mine, dropped a hammer on it
Do think you will need extra rigidity in the bows with all that weight 'satin' it though
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05-02-2008, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by TimB-C
hope you got good insurance kitten, "Bollocks" is still traumatised!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Tim I'm sure I never touched your bollocks
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05-02-2008, 12:43 PM
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#139
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There is definately no reply to that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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05-02-2008, 01:11 PM
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numbskull
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kitten
Nope, just broke mine, dropped a hammer on it
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Please let the 7 years bad luck commence AFTER our little project is finished!!!!! All ready had my fair share for this year.
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