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02-12-2008, 04:03 PM
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#101
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Registered User
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M5 outboard rules are a bit pants!
you can go 2 x verado 200's in the 3,500 4S/SC
or 2 x Etec 200's in the 5,800 4S
But you can only have 2 x 175 Opti's in the 5,200 2S/EPA class, as the bigger optis are 3 litre, and the 200xs is no longer available. Bit of a shame really as the Optis are probably the cheapest option for outboards in that class.
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02-12-2008, 04:30 PM
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#102
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Registered User
Country: England
Location: Hampshire
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Boat name: Double 2 Shirts
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Originally Posted by blind dog
if m1,2 and 3 are for out and out race boats which class does a production xs fit as it has 2speed boxes all be it they are standard fit
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Gear Boxes for sale???
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02-12-2008, 05:15 PM
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#103
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blind dog
Country: uk
Location: fast land
Occupation: going fast
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na not for sale,standard fit to a sunseeker xs as are the yanmars just cant see a class it fits as a production boat
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02-12-2008, 06:02 PM
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#104
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Originally Posted by blind dog
na not for sale,standard fit to a sunseeker xs as are the yanmars just cant see a class it fits as a production boat
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Won't it fit M3 class
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02-12-2008, 07:53 PM
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#105
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Registered User
Country: England
Location: Hampshire
Occupation: Credit Crunched
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Boat name: Double 2 Shirts
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So D2S will have to be "restricted" to 50 Knts and we should be class M8
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02-12-2008, 08:06 PM
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blind dog
Country: uk
Location: fast land
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i reckon it would be depressing to restrict db2 to 50 knots maybe you will have to run in m3 too
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02-12-2008, 08:08 PM
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#107
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Registered User
Country: England
Location: Hampshire
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blind dog
i reckon it would be depressing to restrict db2 to 50 knots maybe you will have to run in m3 too
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I second that Scott
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02-12-2008, 08:14 PM
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#108
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Registered User
Country: England
Location: Hampshire
Occupation: Credit Crunched
Interests: Rally Driving
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But it is average 50 knots....
so 85 knots for 50% of the race and poodle home, gin & tonic on the sun deck with smoked salmon sarnies how 70's retro is that !!!!!!!!!!!
BluFin in his Flares me in my Groovy hip Hawian Shirt and Speedo's (very Magnum PI)
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02-12-2008, 08:17 PM
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Traveling
Country: UK
Location: Alderholt
Occupation: Aerospace
Boat name: T/T D2S
Boat make: Midas 27' Cat, Argo 16 Cat. Avon Rib Thingy
Engines: Merc 280-ROS -JSRE,65Xs, 75 Stinger, Yam 60
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dont do speedos ... toook little-fin swimming at david lloyd . this normally meas me watching the Aerobics class with a coffee. NOT last night.... it was a male step aerobics - one piece spandex -- oh it looked so wrong quite shocking had to go & watch netball.
EPA with outboards is really a bit of shame yes it comes from on high, but you will all burn hundreds if not many thousands of lts testing, transporting & Racing. does it really make that much difference to use a XR2 or 2.5 EFI really - be honest - it stinks (pun intended) but you can run ya really old lead fuelled big blocks at 2 galls a mile but not those nasty clip -ons
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02-12-2008, 08:29 PM
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#110
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TEAM 25 RACING
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Measurement
Stupid question time...
Can anyone tell me what the dimensions/calculations are for M7 class? Also what qualifies as a "Motor Cruiser", does the XS fit in this class, or will we have to run in M3?
Anyone?????
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02-12-2008, 08:40 PM
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#111
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Registered User
Country: England
Location: Hampshire
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Originally Posted by BigBird1964
Stupid question time...
Can anyone tell me what the dimensions/calculations are for M7 class? Also what qualifies as a "Motor Cruiser", does the XS fit in this class, or will we have to run in M3?
Anyone?????
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OMG you want to be in the same Class as Bayliners..... well if thats the only way you are going to win I guess it ok
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02-12-2008, 08:41 PM
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if understand it right your UIM length is about 35 foot, so 140 kg/foot gives a min weight for M7 of 4900kg - i guess are about 3900-4000kg now. so you need to add 900kg....
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02-12-2008, 08:41 PM
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#113
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Registered User
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Originally Posted by BluFin
dont do speedos ...
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Thats why I had you in Flare's having seen the "Picture" you emailed me for inclusion on the web site
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02-12-2008, 08:44 PM
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#114
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Registered User
Occupation: Champion Pie Eater
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so you need to add 900kg....[/QUOTE]
Just keep eating the pies Simon and Scott
gaZ
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02-12-2008, 08:48 PM
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TEAM 25 RACING
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scand
if understand it right your UIM length is about 35 foot, so 140 kg/foot gives a min weight for M7 of 4900kg - i guess are about 3900-4000kg now. so you need to add 900kg....
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We are okay with the weight (no pies needed, thanks Gaz!), it was the dimensions for the cube that I need explaining.....?
Pash - dont worry about restricting your new engines, you wanna see if you can tune em up to GET TO 50 KNOTS
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02-12-2008, 08:56 PM
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Traveling
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Location: Alderholt
Occupation: Aerospace
Boat name: T/T D2S
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Originally Posted by Pash 1
Thats why I had you in Flare's having seen the "Picture" you emailed me for inclusion on the web site
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Thats only because I replied to all those e-mails about losing weight- -giving me abs & increasing the LOA
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02-12-2008, 11:59 PM
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#117
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BigBird1964
Stupid question time...
Can anyone tell me what the dimensions/calculations are for M7 class? Also what qualifies as a "Motor Cruiser", does the XS fit in this class, or will we have to run in M3?
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So whats wrong with the M3 class
Why would you want to run in Motor Cruiser as the xs was built as a race boat.
Unless you want to win win win against 50mph boats
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03-12-2008, 02:07 AM
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#118
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Registered User
Country: UK
Location: North Hampshire
Occupation: Sales
Interests: Powerboat Racing
Boat name: Team Purple, Team Shark
Boat make: Sperstock 150, 300 race boats, Class 3s cat
Engines: Honda 150, 2.5 efi ROS*2
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
OK, these are the provisional rules as they stand. not yet set in stone, but please, we already have enough people expecting to get them altered to fit their particular boat, which simply isn't going to happen, so please don't ask.
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Can you clarify - are non EPA outboard engines excluded - if so why? when no other menagerie fleet racing in the world has done so? Even the UIM overruled its own rules on EPA at the 3C worlds....
Would have thought you would keep the options as wide as possible to keep as much interest in these difficult financial times.....
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03-12-2008, 08:38 AM
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#119
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Senior Member
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On initial look at the rules they seem disappointing and not really promoting modern thinking - advances in design.
Certainly disagree with the weights and in an age where we need to encourage higher efficiency this is not helping. Whilst I can see that trying to stop super lightweight builds of 'old' boats maybe necesary but it is preventing new thinking too.
Always going to be difficult to please everyone - make that impossible - but I think more could have been achieved.
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03-12-2008, 08:54 AM
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#120
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Registered User
Location: north west
Interests: Northern poker runs,without the loosers
Boat name: Daze of thunder
Boat make: fastest recorded outboard phantom
Engines: which one
Cruising area: M6
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: north west
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Force
Can you clarify - are non EPA outboard engines excluded - if so why? when no other menagerie fleet racing in the world has done so? Even the UIM overruled its own rules on EPA at the 3C worlds....
Would have thought you would keep the options as wide as possible to keep as much interest in these difficult financial times.....
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when i asked same question other day was told would,nt be competative,hmm
against what untested verados etecs 175 optis,
lookes more like looking after inboard interests than anything to do with epa,or green engines.
seems a shame that most likely used rigs that fit m5 will be set up for the older mercs,transom sizes,position,steering etc, never mind the weak saddles ,gearboxes and mids on new motors.
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