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09-12-2008, 11:24 AM
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#181
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Registered User
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Chaps, could someone please explain what UIM is?
Unit of Imperial Measurement?
Thanks
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09-12-2008, 11:48 AM
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#182
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If you google it, it's the very first link.
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09-12-2008, 12:03 PM
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#183
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numbskull
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pash 1
Chaps, could someone please explain what UIM is?
Unit of Imperial Measurement?
Thanks
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No, it the UIM (Union Internationale Motonautique) which is the worldwide governing body for powerboat racing. They have a method of measuring a boats length, basically, from the bottom of the transom/running surface, to the bow (this is a simplified description) so it usually ends up giving a measurement shorter than that considered as the 'Length overall' figure.
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09-12-2008, 12:05 PM
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#184
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Engine tester
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Location: Southend on Sea
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Boat name: motorvator
Boat make: Revenger San Marino / Sunseeker Camargue 46 / Phantom 18/19/600
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Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
If the LOA of the XPS34 is 10.48 metres, I would bet my bottom dollar that it would end up <10 metres using the UIM method, this gives a ratio of better than 3.6:1, so it's in.
I've a gut feeling that the single engine issue could end up with them being allowed for now (along with non epa OBs) for say another 3 years, after which time, you have to conform tothe new rules.
You also have to remember that we're trying to establish rules for international use for all Marathon racing, and that what ends up running localy (UK) could easily be more friendly to the older existing craft/engine setups. However, you simply cannot set up rules for international racing, for use over the coming years, based on a load of old pleasure boats from one particular country, to please 'a few' people.
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All very fair points Jon. I'm certainly not looking at this purely for myself as the way the development industry is at the moment there might be little spare cash next year anyway. Its all about building the potential fleet isn't it, and any way you can increase potential numbers has to bode well for success.
Certainly the EPA stuff is a problem as you have to be shown to care. A timetable for improvement seems to be the answer.
You mentioned earlier common rail diesels being that much more efficient nowadays which they certainly are bit is there anything anywhere that looks at total emmissions against HP produced and weight and hence competiveness? A question not a dig by the way
Still not sure with the XPS as there is very little overhang on the transom and they were measured before the new age method of including swim platforms and god knows what else. Beam as well is likely measured at the top over rubrails etc. Anybody got of a copy of the UIM measurement standard as my copy of PB1 is 26 years old and I'm too tight to buy a new one
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09-12-2008, 02:58 PM
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#185
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numbskull
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Originally Posted by motorvator
my copy of PB1 is 26 years old and I'm too tight to buy a new one
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Powerboat racing may not be the right sport for you then.
The epa thing is more complex than it looks. it's also about trying to achieve a level playing field, based on engine capacity. pitching a 175 verado, opti, or etec against a 2.5 280 ROS simply isn't fair, the epa thing, lets us keep it close n fair.
the 2.5 280 may not be ideal for RB, but for CTC, P-C, or needles, it'd be a no brainer, especially if you have the budget to keep your 280 'fresh'.
Jamie Edwards SR9 with those motors would be running 100ish, against our 60mph, how could that ever be fair?? not to mention the safety thing.
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09-12-2008, 04:00 PM
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#186
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Registered User
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Occupation: naval architect
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What’s your Levi factor at 60mph Jon?
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09-12-2008, 04:37 PM
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#187
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numbskull
Country: United Kingdom
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Originally Posted by Scand
What’s your Levi factor at 60mph Jon?
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dunno, not absolutely certain of weight.
Guessing at 2500 kilos, it works out to 4.24 my 28 is 4.8! of course, Swipes may be lighter than we think, ....or, the motors may be less powerfull that we think, or, a bit of both.
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09-12-2008, 04:58 PM
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#188
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Registered User
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Scand
What’s your Levi factor at 60mph Jon?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
dunno, not absolutely certain of weight
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Say 15 Stone = 41inch waist and 32 inside leg - Drain Pipe Cut Pre-shrunk somewhere close Jon??
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09-12-2008, 05:07 PM
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#189
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numbskull
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pash 1
Say 15 Stone = 41inch waist and 32 inside leg - Drain Pipe Cut Pre-shrunk somewhere close Jon??
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close! 38" waist, nearly 15 stone, 32 inside leg. Are you being served??
You wanna buy a Drive & gimble for the Planatec? 3A, CLE, like yours
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09-12-2008, 07:28 PM
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#190
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Registered User
Occupation: Champion Pie Eater
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
close! 38" waist, nearly 15 stone, 32 inside leg. Are you being served??
You wanna buy a Drive & gimble for the Planatec? 3A, CLE, like yours
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Better watch Jon
Looks like oor Mr Pash has a close eye on your figure, you know what they say about they Lawyer types
gaZ
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09-12-2008, 08:04 PM
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#191
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Registered User
Country: England
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
close! 38" waist, nearly 15 stone, 32 inside leg. Are you being served??
You wanna buy a Drive & gimble for the Planatec? 3A, CLE, like yours
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Actually the drives are No 3 not 3a's Mr Fuller...
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Originally Posted by gazza
Better watch Jon
Looks like oor Mr Pash has a close eye on your figure, you know what they say about they Lawyer types
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Oi me tartan skirt wearng friend have you ever met a bent (Gay) Lawyer???
Oh and tell your Team25racing.com/girlies/working/in/the/warm friends that Team MWA are in negotiations with an American Sponsor
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09-12-2008, 08:13 PM
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#192
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Traveling
Country: UK
Location: Alderholt
Occupation: Aerospace
Boat name: T/T D2S
Boat make: Midas 27' Cat, Argo 16 Cat. Avon Rib Thingy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Jon Fuller
Jamie Edwards SR9 with those motors would be running 100ish, against our 60mph, how could that ever be fair?? not to mention the safety thing.
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How quick is Red FPT averaged over 90 for the Cowes Race -Bloody dangerous that should be banned all these fast motorboats - Where's that eco membership form gone.
Ref single engine if one uses an Aux Motor does that have to be a EPA unit? or will CE suffice
Edit: you just know I'm gonna say a 280 is CE Marked Unit next ......
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09-12-2008, 08:37 PM
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#193
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Registered User
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Oi me tartan skirt wearng friend have you ever met a bent (Gay) Lawyer???
May see you a drivers at the weekend (Sat) whos on the cakes this week
gaZ
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09-12-2008, 08:44 PM
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#194
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Registered User
Country: England
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gazza
Oi me tartan skirt wearng friend have you ever met a bent (Gay) Lawyer???
May see you a drivers at the weekend (Sat) whos on the cakes this week
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Could be a Savoury day.... we have gone up market....
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09-12-2008, 08:45 PM
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#195
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blind dog
Country: uk
Location: fast land
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edurance
Oh and tell your Team25racing.com/girlies/working/in/the/warm friends that Team MWA are in negotiations with an American Sponsor
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09-12-2008, 08:49 PM
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#196
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Registered User
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blind dog
Oh and tell your Team25racing.com/girlies/working/in/the/warm friends that Team MWA are in negotiations with an American Sponsor
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09-12-2008, 08:58 PM
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#197
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Registered User
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hunton69
So whats wrong with the M3 class
Why would you want to run in Motor Cruiser as the xs was built as a race boat.
Unless you want to win win win against 50mph boats
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Ermmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Less of the and more of the
But you wont be in the same class as the out and out racers will you
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Originally Posted by Pash 1
OMG you want to be in the same Class as Bayliners..... well if thats the only way you are going to win I guess it ok
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Ohhhhhhh Fighting talk........... bring it on......
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09-12-2008, 09:07 PM
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#198
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blind dog
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pash
so your an out and out racer
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09-12-2008, 09:07 PM
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#199
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Registered User
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blind dog
so your an out and out racer
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the boat is..............
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09-12-2008, 09:25 PM
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#200
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Registered User
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