Thunderbird in storage for 33 years - Page 11

Ciao · 08-10-2010, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by cfun

Why such a large difference in speed between the Classic Cinzano CUV which is a simular hull but aluminium which seems to be getting around a 100mph with the newly installed 725hp engines

Engine weight and propeller evolution.

Uno, once dialled in will see speeds in the late 80's early 90's.

FLYING FISH · 08-10-2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by littlenige

Ahr, the legend that is Eraf..........................I wonder if this pic was taken at the start of that very race?

I think it was the Needles 74.Beken took a load that day going across Poole Bay from Fairway Buoy.

FLYING FISH · 08-10-2010, 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by cfun

And as reported in earlier threads D2S with it's diesel engines and higher weight did around 75ish with the 500hp and up to 82mph with the 630hp Sabre Diesel engines ... would it be right to think the Cobras were around 550-600hp each taking D2S speeds as a guide line

Why such a large difference in speed between the Classic Cinzano CUV which is a simular hull but aluminium which seems to be getting around a 100mph with the newly installed 725hp engines

As a classic boat how does the HP and speeds relate to the Cigarette Bounty Hunter

Bounty Hunter has 1200hp and was averaging 65 mph in moderate conditions in the U.S.

The thing is you could add approx 10mph to average speed for light condition,then another 10mph for smooth seas,and another 10mph for the extra hp and before you know it your up to 100mph,and you have a heavier boat slightly.

Delta28 · 08-10-2010, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

In 1974 when built ,Unoembassy averaged 69.5 mph in moderate conditions in the Round the Island race,finishing 1 second behind the 36ft cigarette `Eraf`. It was running 2 x 600hp kiekhaefers,so in light conditions and say 250 more hp,it could well top 80 mph.

I've seen this mentioned somewhere else recently too, but can't remember where...

Uno-Embassy broke in the main (C-T-C) race ..and they got the old tin boat out, re-painted in Embassy colours, for the Round-the-Island... The "old" but great Unowot... And they found that it went like a rocket. Didn't Mr Shead reckon she was good for 87 mph?

Seem to recall they had steering or trim problems, otherwise they'd almost certainly have beaten Eraf.

Take a look at the Tim Powell interview from the 1975 Powerboat Yearbook (Tim Powell thread, scroll down to see posts by Ciao) :

http://www.boatmad.com/forum/showthr...ght=tim+powell

Ciao · 08-10-2010, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Delta28

I've seen this mentioned somewhere else recently too, but can't remember where...

Uno-Embassy broke in the main (C-T-C) race ..and they got the old tin boat out, re-painted in Embassy colours, for the Round-the-Island... The "old" but great Unowot... And they found that it went like a rocket. Didn't Mr Shead reckon she was good for 87 mph?

Seem to recall they had steering or trim problems, otherwise they'd almost certainly have beaten Eraf.

Take a look at the Tim Powell interview from the 1975 Powerboat Yearbook (Tim Powell thread, scroll down to see posts by Ciao) :

http://www.boatmad.com/forum/showthr...ght=tim+powell

Always comforting to know it is Autumn.

Plenty of leaves to smoke.

Delta28 · 08-10-2010, 07:43 PM

Two of your pics, Graham

From the 1975 season, then '76 without the "Embassy" due to the banning of tobacco advertising?

A solution for Rob Gray? (if faced with similar problems..)

FLYING FISH · 08-10-2010, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Delta28

I've seen this mentioned somewhere else recently too, but can't remember where...

Uno-Embassy broke in the main (C-T-C) race ..and they got the old tin boat out, re-painted in Embassy colours, for the Round-the-Island... The "old" but great Unowot... And they found that it went like a rocket. Didn't Mr Shead reckon she was good for 87 mph?

Seem to recall they had steering or trim problems, otherwise they'd almost certainly have beaten Eraf.

Take a look at the Tim Powell interview from the 1975 Powerboat Yearbook (Tim Powell thread, scroll down to see posts by Ciao) :

http://www.boatmad.com/forum/showthr...ght=tim+powell

Go to the top of the class.Quite right,it was the tin boat.When I searched the results I saw TP as the driver and automatically thought it was the plastic boat.Memory going.Oeer!

Delta28 · 08-10-2010, 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ciao

Always comforting to know it is Autumn.

Plenty of leaves to smoke.

Sorry John, don't quite get your drift...

Are you insinuating I'm stoned?!

I didn't make the above post very clear (and ran-out of time to edit)...

What I meant to say... was that I have also seen it mentioned somewhere else that the Planatec Uno-Embassy finished second to Eraf in the '74 Round-the-Island... When in fact it was the old Unowot, the Avenger / Enfield Uno-Embassy in that race...

cfun · 08-10-2010, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

Bounty Hunter has 1200hp and was averaging 65 mph in moderate conditions in the U.S.The thing is you could add approx 10mph to average speed for light condition,then another 10mph for smooth seas,and another 10mph for the extra hp and before you know it your up to 100mph,and you have a heavier boat slightly.

Thanks FF actually besides the marathon series I think the only race I've seen the Bounty hunter give some gas in was the Poole charity CR race and it seemed to be going quite well then to the point I thought it had way more than 1200hp

That tin Uno looks a bit shorter than the glass one and I assume all the Shed boats from that era had quite simular deadrises etc and spray rails, is it known where the tin one now resides

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Originally Posted by Ciao

Engine weight and propeller evolution.Uno, once dialled in will see speeds in the late 80's early 90's.

Thanks I guess next year when its fully dialled in we should know

Delta28 · 08-10-2010, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by cfun

That tin Uno looks a bit shorter than the glass one and I assume all the Shed boats from that era had quite simular deadrises etc and spray rails, is it known where the tin one now resides

37' Aluminium and, sadly, destroyed by customs at Gibraltar

You an' me both Graham...

I couldn't even get Enfield / Avenger the right way round.

It's been a long day and I'm tired... Maybe I should go smoke some autumn leaves...

Yeah, man... right-on...

Pictures from Graham's Gallery apart from last which may be from Tornado Racing Site

Ciao · 08-10-2010, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Delta28

Maybe I should go smoke some autumn leaves...

Most of us know now mate - It is easier to admit it.

littlenige · 09-10-2010, 11:22 AM

If my numbers had come up last night a replica Unowot would have been quite high on the top of my list.

Delta28 · 10-10-2010, 09:39 PM

Agreed... Hurry-up and win then, Nige!

Here's an old Beken photo of her first (1971) season as Enfield Avenger:

littlenige · 11-10-2010, 08:29 AM

For my money she's right up there with the Bertram 38 and Cig 36 widebody as a pure masterpiece of design............(sorry go off thread again!)

FLYING FISH · 11-10-2010, 01:42 PM

A cutaway out of a kid`s comic,and you thought stickers were sad.

I even had a cardboard flat pack of ABO,but it`s gone missing.All quality stuff!

littlenige · 11-10-2010, 03:30 PM

Ahr that's perfect Graham for when I hand my project over to the builders!!

Delta28 · 11-10-2010, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by littlenige

For my money she's right up there with the Bertram 38 and Cig 36 widebody as a pure masterpiece of design............(sorry go off thread again!)

I'm sure Rob or Mike won't mind... it's all part of the boat's ancestry...

Here's a Beken photo (found in the attic!) of her sister-ship:

FLYING FISH · 11-10-2010, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Delta28

Here's a Beken photo (found in the attic!) of her sister-ship:

I`m afraid youv`e just fallen into the pig pit,flower.

Unowot had a sistership called `The Jet`,albeit with jet propulsion.

Miss Embassy was a one off at 42ft, before the 40ft Abo & Unoembassy boats were created.

Delta28 · 11-10-2010, 08:29 PM

Well, yes... I knew a bit about that one... Wasn't she the first water-jet boat (Castoldi) to win an offshore race? ..av. 66 mph? ...go-on then! Correct me!!

I meant "sister-ship" in the broader sense... In as much as they came from the same Embassy-sponsored stable.

I hadn't realised that the 42' Miss Embassy was first out of the womb...

Delta28 · 11-10-2010, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by FLYING FISH

I`m afraid youv`e just fallen into the pig pit,flower.

I have a brother-in-law who, if he fell into a vast cesspool of pig shit, would come-up smelling of roses... Not me..!

Shame... I was top of the class a few moments ago.

Such is life.

..or should that be: life sucks...