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Old 15-01-2006, 06:14 AM   #221
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Speaking of Fountains...How come you haven't posted a picture of yours?
Why does it matter? It doesn't and it has nothing to do with this thread. Quit trying to change the subject.

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Old 15-01-2006, 06:17 AM   #222
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Post a pic of your Fountain....surely one pic can't hurt?
Do you own a Fountain?
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Old 15-01-2006, 06:22 AM   #223
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Post a pic of your Fountain....surely one pic can't hurt?
Can't answer the question ? Got caught with your weak, phoney argument? Praising older Apaches but when shown pictures of them sunk they aren't "Mcmanus boats" even though earlier they were the greatest!

Sorry, your "switch the subject" won't work. I also won't post a picture of my house or my dog or the neighbors car.
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Old 15-01-2006, 06:33 AM   #224
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It's my understanding that HammerHead was left out in bad weather and sunk. That is the story on OSO.
I am calling bullchit about you owning a Fountain......Stop dancing, it's foolish.
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Old 15-01-2006, 07:13 AM   #225
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The Lord of the dance?
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Old 15-01-2006, 07:19 AM   #226
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It's my understanding that HammerHead was left out in bad weather and sunk. That is the story on OSO.
So? You post pictures of Fountains that have sunk and you have no idea what happened to them either. Nice double standard.



(1) "SAM has#6's and is know HAMMERHEAD and is still in St. Tropez last I knew, it needs a complete restoration. I went there to buy it in the spring of 2004, it was a massive disappointment. So I bought to 41 I always wanted and enjoyed watching race."

(2) "Hammerhead was left like that for a number of days.
The sinking of this boat i am not sure how this happend,there were many
heavy swells hitting the beaches this summer and heavy trafic."

I know what happened to the boat and number #2 is very close.



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.....Stop dancing, it's foolish.
Me stop dancing around? You are the one who got nailed and can't answer the questions.

Bottom line, any boat can sink and anyone can post pictures of them. The more of them out there the more accidents you can find, simple statistics.
Honestly, I could really care less about one boat or another or which is faster or built better or worse. It's like any other object. Everybody has their own preferance just like clothes, cars etc.



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[B]I am calling bullchit about you owning a Fountain.
Hey, I'll burn you again. Show me where I said I currently own a Fountain? (Even though it has nothing to do with the thread)
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Old 15-01-2006, 07:21 AM   #227
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The Lord of the dance?
Yes you are!

Lets use some logic...

The greatest Apache, YOUR WORDS, ever happens to be a sunken Apache which I posted. (Sam) Man the irony here...

So who built Sam?
If it's McManus then it sunk.

If it's not why did you say a pre McManus boat was the greatest?


STILL CAN'T/WON'T ANSWER THAT ONE WILL YOU...?
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Old 15-01-2006, 07:36 AM   #228
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No Fountain?????!!!!!!!

Holy Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another no credability talker, I thought so. I won't waste any more time on you. You can't run rough water with bullchit.
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[B]No Fountain?????!!!!!!!

Holy Hell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Another no credability talker, I thought so.
So I have to currently own a Fountain to discuss the facts? How can you talk about Cigarettes or any other boat if you currently don't own one? How can an aeronautical engineer talk about fighters if he doesn't own one? I guess makes you a "no credibility talker"?
Sorry, that third grade argument doesn't hold water.



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I won't waste any more time on you. You can't run rough water with bullchit.
And you can't pass bullchit along, which you have attempted.
Of course you don't want to "waste time", you can't answer the questions. You tried to deflect the debate to some other non issue which has nothing to do with the post because you cannot defend your double standard or your positions.
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Old 15-01-2006, 08:18 AM   #230
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Here are a few pics of my Cigarette FireFox....gotta strip and paint that drive
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Old 15-01-2006, 08:23 AM   #231
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Stainless grabrail on dash....scientificly matched the radius of the grabrail to that of the dash. My Buddy bent it in the fork of a tree.
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Old 15-01-2006, 08:25 AM   #232
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Bolster with hydraulic drop out seat bottoms
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Old 15-01-2006, 08:29 AM   #233
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Race hatch......good for a supercharged powerplant
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Old 15-01-2006, 08:33 AM   #234
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A great quality rough water powerboat.
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Old 15-01-2006, 09:59 AM   #235
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And you sold it! So how can you talk about it?
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Old 15-01-2006, 11:01 AM   #236
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This is great!...

Though I must admit, sunken boats probably isn't the best way of determining whether or not a builder/designer does a good job, as it can happen in any number of ways, including mechanical failure, ie, gimble, internal pipework etc.
For me, evidence of major structural failure when in use (not hurricane damage, or RTA etc) is the way to go, if a boat breaks up in any way in the normal course of 'offshore' boating, summat has to be wrong. I expect to be able to stuff, hook, or capsize a boat at reasonable speed (not like 100+mph, I mean sub 80) and it survive, at least with mininal damage.

For example, do Fountain build their boats with a fully bonded hull to deck join?, I know a lot of the yank 'production' stuff isn't built that way, which is a little scarey, and is i'm sure, one of the reasons we see large sections of boat deck laying on beaches etc.

A guy over here bought a Baja Outlaw 40 (could be 41, not certain), he paid extra for the 'race lay-up', as he'd broken a previous smaller Baja in a matter of days, they said, "we didn't know you were gonna drive it like a race boat, you need a boat from our race division", So, a triple 500 EFI 40 footer, complete with $12K option 'race lay-up' arrived. It has to be said at this stage, that the boat is available with much higher power than this from Baja. It's also important that the owner is a bit of an animal in a boat.

The boat was 3 weeks old when he 'went in' a bit hard with it, not a full on stuff, just a very hard bow-down landing at around 75mph. The front end of the boat folded up, losing it's form, and hooking. The hull and deck had parted company, and of course then the rigidety has all but gone, and loads of delamination and other damage occured. On inspection by a surveyer, the hull and deck were only bonded where it was easy to get at!
, nasty! Baja settled out of court.

So, this was very poor example of 'race build', and doesn't do much for the perception of the American offshore boats here in Europe, at least not the production ones, and this wasn't exactly a cheap 'n' cheerful production boat, it cost IRO $400k.

Just my observations.

Anyone on here got any pics of Richard Carr's Baja?
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Old 15-01-2006, 11:26 AM   #237
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I still dont get how they can produce an offshore boat and not have a foot throttle!

How on earth do you drive when it is rough? One handed stearing wheel? Or is the definition of rough different?
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The whole 'Hand Throttle' thing is very much a traditional thing over there, I personaly agree with you, hand throttling is I think superior when it's a dedicated task, as in a race boat, where you can hold yourself in with one hand (grab handle down the side of the seat, with trim switches within thumbs reach) and the other hand dedicated to the stick, or of course harnessed in when in a canopied boat.
But un-harnessed, one hand on the wheel, the other on the stick, just doesn't fell right to me, and is why I altered my 28 to foot throttle (or hand for cruising).

It's all rather un heard of over the pond tho' and I reckon loads more Yanks would run with foot throttles if they tried it, it feels way more secure, controlable and safe.
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Old 15-01-2006, 04:25 PM   #239
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I still dont get how they can produce an offshore boat and not have a foot throttle!

How on earth do you drive when it is rough? One handed stearing wheel?
It's a knack either way. I have operated a 20' Cigarette with a foot throttle and it was easy. I prefer the hand throttle. Some race boats actually have a dedicated driver and a dedicated throttleman. That sounds overcomplicated, at least it would be for me. Here is a pic of my Comanche with the race bolster setup, you can see the throttles and helm are set up to use by one or two individuals.
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Old 15-01-2006, 04:38 PM   #240
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Since I am a two boat owner, here is the Cigarette set up with a driver side only helm and hand throttle configuration. It is very comfortable and easy to use.
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