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Old 23-01-2006, 10:49 PM   #441
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Was that company related to the usa?
Or did they bought moulds?
Love the 31,I like those older lines.
Do you think they sell them bare,only deck and hull?
Its a nice base for twin diesel yanmar set up with bravo,s.

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Old 23-01-2006, 11:00 PM   #442
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I think they sell only bare hulls. Its a small Swedish Company and the hull is a stretch of a 28 the mold might be the original 28.
Not Sure about it but you can always contact them.
No relation to USA.
I think you mix with Nor-Tech former High-Tech who splashed a 38 hawk and got sued for it.
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Old 23-01-2006, 11:39 PM   #443
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The guy who told me was swedish,and had a 30ft or little bigger don,t remember,aronow for sale ,staggered BBC with speedmasters.
He told me that his boat was made in sweden.
His boat was build in 83 or so.
it had latham steering also.
That Apache 47 ,is that one for sale?

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Old 24-01-2006, 12:49 AM   #444
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That Apache 47 ,is that one for sale?

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The yellow Kramer 47' Apache is now in Clark, New Jersey. Very close to where I work. It is mint!!!!!!!!! I don't believe it is for sale.....many people ask that question about that Apache..it is an awesome powerboat!
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Old 24-01-2006, 12:51 AM   #445
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Medicine Man.....nice creature comforts!
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Old 24-01-2006, 08:36 AM   #446
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The guy who told me was swedish,and had a 30ft or little bigger don,t remember,aronow for sale ,staggered BBC with speedmasters.
He told me that his boat was made in sweden.
His boat was build in 83 or so.
it had latham steering also.
That Apache 47 ,is that one for sale?

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Where did you find it on sale?
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What about the Stars and stripes 47 Apache at Turbine Marine?
What do you now about it?
the Staggered engine hatch sure gives a nice sunpad....and my folks would love that.
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Old 24-01-2006, 06:22 PM   #447
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There was an Apache 41,year 1986 for sale in Ibiza,
their asking price was 27000
I talked to him an half year ago ,and I could have the boat for 20000,that time I didn,t had the money to buy,and now its sold to some guy in danmark
It had no engine/drives
staggered set up,#4 gimble,s and latham steering was still on the boat.
Now I wish I had the money that time.

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Old 24-01-2006, 06:42 PM   #448
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Apache 41 for 20K model 1986...when ? and this dane has it running now?

Spain/medi is a good source to get boats that need new engines....
Had an offer about a 1992 46 Cig for 70K that needed one engine.

Theres other fish in the sea...you still around for a bigger boat?
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Old 24-01-2006, 07:39 PM   #449
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Yes I,m looking for a bigger boat ,something that sleeps 2-3 people .
And still have to do 70-75 mph ,offshore type boat.
Bare is fine,or with drives only.
I want to go for diesels if I have to rig it completely over.
Like that 31 ft Arrow, It does not have to be a 40 + ft
Boats like that need so much hp to make them run.
Is there some body that might be intrested in a Cougar 27 cat
in your country?
I have a 1989 kevlar /glass,with trailer (new)
no motors/steering.
Condition is good,7950 incl trailer

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Old 24-01-2006, 07:48 PM   #450
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[QUOTE]Originally posted by MikeyFIN
[B]Apache 41 for 20K model 1986...when ? and this dane has it running now?

For sale at :best boat24,half year ago,dunno if the dane is finishing it ,the guy who had it for sale said it was sold to Danmark.
It was a pleasure boat ,no race.,but staggered motor set up.
Did you saw the 36 apache for sale in Sweden?
a 94 or 95 36 ft with staggered 572 with blowers /coolers
950 hp each on merlin blocks,and # 3a drives
he,s asking 950 000 swedish krone
I believe thats 95000 or so.
very very nice ,latham stainless tabs polished ,$$$$

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Old 24-01-2006, 08:00 PM   #451
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Medicine Man.....nice creature comforts!
can you tell me as ive always wanted to know are these boats sprayed ,ie murauls,pictures of indian cheif etc.if so are they hi shine or semi-gloss?
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Old 25-01-2006, 12:03 AM   #452
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Yes I,m looking for a bigger boat ,something that sleeps 2-3 people .
And still have to do 70-75 mph ,offshore type boat.
Bare is fine,or with drives only.
I want to go for diesels if I have to rig it completely over.
Like that 31 ft Arrow, It does not have to be a 40 + ft
Boats like that need so much hp to make them run.
Is there some body that might be intrested in a Cougar 27 cat
in your country?
I have a 1989 kevlar /glass,with trailer (new)
no motors/steering.
Condition is good,7950 incl trailer

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hhhmmmmm Cougar for me....you just wait Im a Truck operator So Ill prolly be sometime around your place.

How old do you want the boat in question to be?
Picks of the Cougar?
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Old 25-01-2006, 08:46 PM   #453
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The age is not so important to me,if it is a good hull structurally,and cosmetically needed some work , thats fine by me.
I,send an E mail to that guy in sweden that makes the 31 Arrow
just to see what a bare hull price is.
It might be a good boat for twin diesel/bravo,just like Jon,s boat.
I like the reliabilaty and economy that diesels do.

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Old 25-01-2006, 08:50 PM   #454
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can you tell me as ive always wanted to know are these boats sprayed ,ie murauls,pictures of indian cheif etc.if so are they hi shine or semi-gloss?
cheers jamie.
I believe the main color is awlgrip, the art is hand painted, then everything is cleared. That is my best guess.
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Old 25-01-2006, 11:32 PM   #456
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What about the Stars and stripes 47 Apache at Turbine Marine?
What do you now about it?
the Staggered engine hatch sure gives a nice sunpad....and my folks would love that.
I believe JayL13 on Speedwake and a few other guy's have been all over that boat. I would ask him his opinion.
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Old 25-01-2006, 11:43 PM   #457
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Been trawling through some old boat brochures and lo and behold found this.
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Old 25-01-2006, 11:49 PM   #458
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The age is not so important to me,if it is a good hull structurally,and cosmetically needed some work , thats fine by me.
I,send an E mail to that guy in sweden that makes the 31 Arrow
just to see what a bare hull price is.
It might be a good boat for twin diesel/bravo,just like Jon,s boat.
I like the reliabilaty and economy that diesels do.

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Well that you wont find out in a hull without a moisture meter.
Scarabs are told to have a problem with moisture in the stringers..Larry Smith Scarabs not, different lay-up and different fiberglass mats too.
But everything can be ruined.
Im a bit interested of the Squadron 39 at atlantioque but would need to get a look at it if its cabin is big enough in life...looks kinda small.
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Old 26-01-2006, 05:53 PM   #459
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No shit...constant erosion...REALLY ?
WOW Im impressed..did your Sophmore teacher tell you that?
What do you think happens here?
Do you actually think the Baltic Sea has the same erosion rates as the U.S. coast line? Maybe you should have listened to your "sophmore" teacher.




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Originally posted by MikeyFIN Significant Wave heigth similar to what we had in 2004...nothing new here.
Happens almost every fall.
The Ferry Estonia got cought in such a wave ...40 miles form where I sit RIGHT Now. (Baltic Proper that is)
852 killed.
Wow! The Baltic sea has 40 ft waves, up to 70? How about tidal waves? Tsunamis?


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*Besides proper seamanship talks about wind speed in Meter/second not Km/H which is a land term. 63kt=33m/s and 53kt=27 m/s which is "normal here".
Yesterday we had close to 20m/s in -18C temps which you might think is uncommon.Or might not because of lack of knowledge.
Now that's funny. I suggest you go back and reread a couple posts and try and put two and two together before making stupid comments. I forgot more than you'll ever know.



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Originally posted by MikeyFIN No more personal than your attack on anyone else...you get what you ask.
I could care less about your attempt at an attack. I was pointing out you were not staying on topic which went over your head.

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Originally posted by MikeyFIN Apache isnt old technology compared to step bottoms in fact stepped bottoms have been way earlier than deep Vees.
In WW2 Every damn Torpedo boat we had was Step bottoms. Tri-Steps.
Italians invented them in the early 1900s.
Not the case. Current step bottoms have technology that wasn't available in the early 1900's. Trying to compare a step from 1910 to steps on the latest powerboats of today shows ignorance. You obviously don't understand how much R@D go into these hulls.
BTW: Flay bottom boats were used since the begining of time which last time I checked was before the early 1900's?

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Originally posted by MikeyFIN And you probably dont know that Reggie lets Douglas Marine build the race fountains, so they are Tadaa..Skaters with a Fountain logo.
So youve been...

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Uh, no. Fountain builds the race boats in shop and actually uses the same molds as the sport boats. I have been there and have seen it with my own eyes.
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Old 27-01-2006, 02:30 PM   #460
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Do you actually think the Baltic Sea has the same erosion rates as the U.S. coast line? Maybe you should have listened to your "sophmore" teacher.
Happens to be a proven fact.
Just go on and search...the avarege for erosion in USA is .008mm/yr and for Baltic 0.01mm/yr.


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Wow! The Baltic sea has 40 ft waves, up to 70? How about tidal waves? Tsunamis?
3m tidal waves.
Atlantic has 12m on the French coast.
Tsunamis aint to be found in US either.

This starts to become a meaningless pissingcontest, because of one arrogant American (again!) who doesnt look further than ones own navel.


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Not the case. Current step bottoms have technology that wasn't available in the early 1900's. Trying to compare a step from 1910 to steps on the latest powerboats of today shows ignorance. You obviously don't understand how much R@D go into these hulls.
BTW: Flay bottom boats were used since the begining of time which last time I checked was before the early 1900's?
What does Reggies claims of inventing the V bottom then show...he told that in the 80s and 90s....
Those with a patent for it was from the 50s....


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Uh, no. Fountain builds the race boats in shop and actually uses the same molds as the sport boats. I have been there and have seen it with my own eyes.
Sure they do, let me put it thisway, Reggie is the loudest (advertiser/Bullshitter, you chose) since Don Aronow and he (Reggie) himself aint worth Shit.
Thats how I regard that Tup joke with a napoleon complex.
For what its worth Reggie would make a great stand in for Spock in Star Trek and he wouldnt need even to change his outlook, None of it infact

Regardin Steps a Swedish Designer Sigurd Isaccson was way before Steve Stepp with an identical bottom.
Are to be found in Flipper boats since 80s.
In the UIM classes in the late 80s Steps were ventilated with exhaust gases in Europe but those got banned.

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