Venture Cup

[Gerbil112]

Originally Posted by OCRDA

I am guessing Red Flag Race stopped proceed to Poole for Restart on Sunday !!

Possibly, but I understand positions were awarded for the first and 2nd legs as two separate races. Would've been a bit awquard to return to muster for a restart... I suppose the overall positions will depend on who crosses firs tomorrow at Bournemouth. Although with so many different classes racing, everyone will get a podium position in their own class!

[DAVE]

I havent been involved for a time now, but I think the curtailment flags were a chequered and an "S" flag flown at the same time......used it to our advantage once or twice.....

[Gerbil112]

Originally Posted by motorvator

Their role is to observe. Her observations will be interesting although I doubt she will discuss them here.

I understood that the Commissioners role is to advise the Race Officials of rule interpretation, and to apply certain penalties according to Class rules. Also to compile a report covering all aspects of the event, and to sit on a Protest Panel where a protest is lodged.

[Gerbil112]

Originally Posted by DAVE

I havent been involved for a time now, but I think the curtailment flags were a chequered and an "S" flag flown at the same time......used it to our advantage once or twice.....

More recently, a chequered and red flown at the start line. Now simply a chequered at the start line.

[Gerbil112]

Originally Posted by Gerbil112

More recently, a chequered and red flown at the start line. Now simply a chequered at the start line.

Correction: "Finish line"!

[OCRDA]

Cinzano & Warpath seem to be having a good battle at the moment !!

[hunton69]

Originally Posted by blimp

Italians
They were invited. I guess, like a lot of teams, they need the confidence of one race under our belts before they'll jump aboard

That's also wrong

[Paul E]

Originally Posted by OCRDA

Are there any results from the Guernsey Race ?

D+V class
1st V8 Diablo
2nd V17

C Class
1st C9 Prime Suspect
2nd C21 RG Racing
3rd 666 Islands Insurance Slayer

I ache today!

[billy no boat]

Originally Posted by OCRDA

Cinzano & Warpath seem to be having a good battle at the moment !!

too right! running close at 70+ Kts! wow!

[blimp]

Hunton - please expand? You genuinely seem to know more than me here

[DAVE]

Originally Posted by billy no boat

too right! running close at 70+ Kts! wow!

Either they are just havin fun, or one of them is using the other as a pacemaker or a navigational security blanket...time will tell....

[nitro9]

yeah reckon with Warpaths nav gremlins theyre staying close enough to be peeping at the navs on Cinzano

[Mark Wildey]

Anyone know why the Buzzi RIB is running so slow as I would have expected at least another 20kn.

Have they had problems?

[blimp]

Mark - they did have some probs yesterday. Mustn't be fully resolved. Fugitive stepped back from racing today to give their bodies a chance to recover.

[goatskin]

Originally Posted by blimp

...Bob - just some very brief replies as I'm doing it from the phone at the moment and just about to hop across to Jersey

Communications ...
Calling leg 1 ...
Microlink ...
Warpath ...
Italians ...

Aidan, thanks for the response. I will flesh-out and address some things (including your PM) to you in a mail, later.

For now, I'll just say ... ya' done good! pulling this off. (ref: Augean Stables, op cit)

Second, I am an intensely & actively interested spectator, however I get MOST of my information from competitor blogs, OSO, Raceboats, and BoatMad, NOT from the most obvious, intuitive and authoritative place: http://www.ventureoffshorecup.com/

For good and valid security and privacy reasons (not to minimise the overwhelming noise-to-signal on the social media), I do not subscribe to FB, nor will I, and I am not alone in a pretty valuable, useful demographic.

I think it is plainly obvious VC communications infrastructure, plans and implementation need some attention by a professional before the show.

Bob

[motorvator]

Originally Posted by Gerbil112

Can I ask a simple question? In offshore racing, a red flag denotes the race is stopped, not curtailed. Usually because of a safety issue. Boats are then advised of restart procedures as necessary. A curtailment is indicated by flying the checkered flag (normally at the finish line on multi-lap races). In the event of a red flag and no restart, the race is normally abandoned with no points awarded. I understand there used to be a minimum distance or number of laps completed to award positions and points, what is the situation with that now? Having not seen Race Instructions, can someone enlighten if there was something different in RI's or at Drivers Briefing? Just curious.

It was advised by OOD at drivers briefing and again in the morning weather update. Everybody was aware that it would be red flag and count as a completed leg. Also red flag to indicate not to cross the channel. Nothing to be confused about.

[motorvator]

Originally Posted by Gerbil112

I understood that the Commissioners role is to advise the Race Officials of rule interpretation, and to apply certain penalties according to Class rules. Also to compile a report covering all aspects of the event, and to sit on a Protest Panel where a protest is lodged.

Agreed but not technically a member of the race committee as I understand it. If they were then you'd need a commissioner to watch the commissioner and we don't need to be giving the RYA that idea.

[Ciao]

Originally Posted by motorvator

It was advised by OOD at drivers briefing and again in the morning weather update. Everybody was aware that it would be red flag and count as a completed leg. Also red flag to indicate not to cross the channel. Nothing to be confused about.

Fairly sure Rob Andrews the OOD would have told the competitors.

Having worked with him on the last 3 Cowes Events, I know he is the best.

(Fabio Buzzi told me his briefing in Cowes 2010 was the best in his racing career).

However sitting in front of a PC, as a good few of us are, we have no real idea of what courses are going to be run, we just get - "It's day three of racing and we're turning up all the dials. A combination of spectacular circuits in Guernsey and Jersey, the infamous Guillot Passage, and challenging long-distance runs. The action starts at 10".

[Gerbil112]

Originally Posted by motorvator

It was advised by OOD at drivers briefing and again in the morning weather update. Everybody was aware that it would be red flag and count as a completed leg. Also red flag to indicate not to cross the channel. Nothing to be confused about.

Thanks for the clarification. As I said, I wasn't privvy to this information so it's now clear. Just looking as an outsider, it differs from PB1 but drivers briefing and/or race bulletins would overrule PB1.

And correct about Commissioner, not part of the race or organising committee. An impartial envoy from the RYA to monitor and report back any deficiencies that can be rectified for future events, also the other roles as I mentioned previously.

[motorvator]

Originally Posted by Ciao

Fairly sure Rob Andrews the OOD would have told the competitors.

Having worked with him on the last 3 Cowes Events, I know he is the best.

(Fabio Buzzi told me his briefing in Cowes 2010 was the best in his racing career).

However sitting in front of a PC, as a good few of us are, we have no real idea of what courses are going to be run, we just get - "It's day three of racing and we're turning up all the dials. A combination of spectacular circuits in Guernsey and Jersey, the infamous Guillot Passage, and challenging long-distance runs. The action starts at 10".

I guess that's a valid statement John but you would know the difficulty of getting all of the information from a briefing to places like this. I only know from being present as support at the London briefing and in fairness to the organisers they were not invited so could not clarify.

And yes Rob was as ever professional in spite of having to juggle info via RS from harbour masters etc many miles away hence his plans A B and C.